I have been running amsoil saber 40:1 to see how it does. So far seems to be ok
400c Rumors… or just internet trolls.
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I was laughing reading that.
I think I would be fine testing anything. I used to run chain build offs and operate the saw over and over. 3-4 cuts and slowest got tossed out.
Even a lot of fun when testing race chains looking for a tenth or even hundredths difference in a chain.
I'm talking most timed cuts were dead on close with each other. Also takes someone that knows how to listen to rpm in the cuts.
You were comparing chains running the same saw. And I know you were running lots of different saws as well in your time.I was laughing reading that.
I think I would be fine testing anything. I used to run chain build offs and operate the saw over and over. 3-4 cuts and slowest got tossed out.
Even a lot of fun when testing race chains looking for a tenth or even hundredths difference in a chain.
I'm talking most timed cuts were dead on close with each other. Also takes someone that knows how to listen to rpm in the cuts.
In most of these videos guys are running 2 different saws with 2 different chains and on top of all that the first thing they do is dog in. When they reset the dogs, they end up re-cutting all the wood that was above the bar. And then the biggest variable is bias. One chain dives into the wood while the other is just slowly burning its way through. It’s amazing that viewers don’t understand that stuff and will believe anything.
Or when they’re racing stock vs ported vids and the harmonic vibrations of the 2 saws turning the same rpm in the cut yet the ported one magically cuts 30% faster.I was laughing reading that.
I think I would be fine testing anything. I used to run chain build offs and operate the saw over and over. 3-4 cuts and slowest got tossed out.
Even a lot of fun when testing race chains looking for a tenth or even hundredths difference in a chain.
I'm talking most timed cuts were dead on close with each other. Also takes someone that knows how to listen to rpm in the cuts.
Magically deliciousOr when they’re racing stock vs ported vids and the harmonic vibrations of the 2 saws turning the same rpm in the cut yet the ported one magically cuts 30% faster.
Me too, owned a 562xp for many years, and a 400 for a few years, cut side by side with the same 620p for the last 5-6 years. No one is going to convince me all 3 being stock the 620, 600sx, 590 or whatever other echo is faster in the cut then a 562xp or ms400.
Three cuts timed on each, same log, all new chains, same bar length same exact make of chain if possible. I dog them in every time because that is how I cut wood in the real world and that is all that matters to me, I ain't at the races I'm out cutting trees for a living. That's how I compare a saws cutting speed and ability.
It was noted you cut the same as a work day.
Thats it! Cut how you are going to cut!
Never ran a 562 xp , however have enough run time with both Echo 590 & 620 p models & a new Stihl 400 with less than 6 tanks through it , to tell you the Echo's are impressive saws for the buck , however they will not outcut a 400 !
There’s no sense timing them then. If you want to test for torque with the dogs, by all means have at it. But if you rock the saw or don’t cut perfectly straight down on the dogs, you are cutting new wood as soon as you reposition. In a 20 inch log, it can be 3 seconds difference in speed
Three cuts has zero statistical validity.
So how many does it take ?
Tough bunch here, it certainly tells me which saw cuts better.
So all things being equal, then with 2 different saws it still tells me which is faster. Might be interesting to see it be off by 3 seconds too. How do you eliminate the human error with your timed cuts if a machine isn't cutting with the same exact pressure anyway, why can't that method be off?
Take the human out of the test entirely, use a machine to apply a constant force to the saw. Maybe bolt the saw down steady and use a machine to apply wood to the chain.
No three cuts don't matter when you're talking a difference of a rounding error between saws, but if there's significant difference, three cuts is plenty, as long as it's in the same wood.
No three cuts don't matter when you're talking a difference of a rounding error between saws, but if there's significant difference, three cuts is plenty, as long as it's in the same wood.
Sounds reasonaavble to me.
Thank you Lightening Performance. I suspected it was just how they were cast and when, where etc.
Much appreciated.
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