Anyone use a 404 sprocket on a Stihl 460?

[flashhole]

If yes, how many teeth in the sprocket and what length bar do you use and how many drive links in the chain? Any advantage over the 3/8 equivalent?

 

[2dogs]

I do not, however I do switch between a 36" 3/8 bar and a 32" 404 bar on my MS660. Now that I can't buy Oregon CJX chain I like 404 for its wide kerf on redwood, esp bucking. I run a 32" b and c on the MS460 that has recently been running a 28" ES Light bar but in 3/8". I feel the 404 chain requires the hp and torque of a bigger saw than the 460, but that is really just a guess since I have never even tried 404 on the 460.

 

[flashhole]

I have a 32" bar 3/8 sprocket that I use every so often with the 460. Most of the time I use a 20" bar. The 32" bar is used on bigger wood and close to the ground cut stumps where the base of the tree widens quite a bit. Is the 404 bar thicker than the 3/8 bar? Even .010" would make a big difference in bar rigidity. That's my complaint on the 32" bar. Does great when the wood is horizontal and off the ground but flexes a bit when cutting stumps low to the ground. Just wondering if the 404 bar would be better in that application.

 

[Anthony_Va.]

It takes a little more grunt to pull 404. High torque saws like the 056/051/076 can do it no problem.

High revving saws like the 440/441/460 just can't pull it like that. They can do a good job with .404 with shorter bars though. If I had a stock 460, and wanted to run .404, I'drun it with a 20-24" bar.

The only benefit I can see is that .404 will stay sharper longer. The .404 rims are bigger so a 7 pin .404 rim is like running an 8 pin 3/8th rim.

 

[Tzed250]

For me the cool thing about .404 is that the tooth is longer, so it can be sharpened more times. That and there are less of them to keep sharp

 

[mdavlee]

If you want a wider kerf pick up some Oregon CLX, CKX, or CJX chain. It's a .404 sized cutter on a 3/8" chassis.

 

[2dogs]

If you want a wider kerf pick up some Oregon CLX, CKX, or CJX chain. It's a .404 sized cutter on a 3/8" chassis.

All of those have been discontinued for quite awhile.

 

[mdavlee]

All of those have been discontinued for quite awhile.

I forgot about that. I had some last year and never ordered any more. It worked good on the 32" bar and 36" I used with the 660 and 395. I thought baileys or some one had it on clearance just a month or two ago???

 

[young]

 

[Oldsawnut]

404 would be fine with 28" or shorter bars.. I like it better lasts longer. Seems like I go through chain half as fast.. More expensive now tho.

 

[Freakingstang]

standard logger issue saw around home is 460 with a 20" 404 and 660 with a 25". I think a 20" is 67DL and 25" is a 77DL if my memory is serving me well

 

[deye223]

77 for 20"

 

[jeepyfz450]

I bought a bunch of bars and chains from a guy at work (he got them at an auction) I got 18 bars and 30+ chains with some misc. saw stuff. the bars were mostly 20'' and 24'' small Stihl mount but there were a few 20'' large stihl mount. In with the chains i found a few boxes labeled "084 20'' .404 semichisel landing saw". I bet that saw stayed sharp for a long time. really makes a lot of sense to me. Here in the North east we skid logs and when they hit the landing they are very muddy.

 

[flashhole]

where in Upstate NY are you located. I'm in Owego, about 20 miles due west from Binghamton.

 

[jeepyfz450]

I am about 20 mins from you. i am out in owego a few times a month.

 

[flashhole]

Stihlguy is right here too. I think one of the members who lives in Candor had a get together over the summer. Couldn't make that but am curious how many guys showed up. Seems there are several of us in this area.

I'm still debating getting a 404 bar and sprocket for the 460. May just pick up a grunt saw like Anthony mentioned. I have a few things to sell to get the money together so it won't happen overnight.

 

[jeepyfz450]

Yeah that GTG was my buddies in Spencer. there are few local members on here. I run 3/8 on my 660 and under. .404 in my opinion is in the 100+ CC saw range. I run .404 on my 090 in 24'',36'' and 50'' bars.

 

[flashhole]

How many folks showed up and what was it all about? By chance was there beer drinking?

 

[jeepyfz450]

How many folks showed up and what was it all about? By chance was there beer drinking?

3 members from Arboristsite and about 8-10 locals. all types from loggers, firewood cutters, and a few guys that just wanted to see the pipe saws run.

We had 12'' Aspen logs on a stand for racing/cookie cutting. we had 12 or so hardwood tops we cut into firewood. we had a few 40'' rock hard maple logs to run the bigger saws in. after we finished up running saws we had a small cookout. we were chased off by a nasty rainstorm so we didnt hang out and have any frosties afterwards. it was a great time. i think we are planning on having another probably in the spring/summer. we had 25 or so saws

 

[B_Turner]

I prefer 3/8 (square) over .404 on all my saws including my 880 and 3120. Even with bars up to 60 inches.

I supposed if you were regularly to hit nails the .404 would be tougher, but for me the 3/8 simply cuts faster.