Ban on wood-fired boilers-Its started.

[Rspike]

Here it is again, I forgot to post it in the long winded rant but was in a post afterwards, Old age setting in CRS


http://www.vtwoodsmoke.org/pdf/EPA-woodburn.pdf

Yep , Thanks for the link .........Just as i thought. Buttered #'s This maybe... on an OWB on "Continuous firing 182 M5H Particulate" but how about "Intermittent firing 1862M5H Particulate "? WOW how the #'s change in real life running.

Ever see an OWB burn full time with out shutting off/down ? There is a big difference between half the information and ALL the information.

I have to give you credit tho ....... it was worth a try.

 

[Rspike]

<img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/Roospike/SAVE0006.jpg">

 

[Rspike]

2004 Laboratorie test

Intertek 2004 Laboratories & Omni 2004 Laboratories test OWB - 10 models

<img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/Roospike/LabTest2004.jpg">

 

[bwalker]

My truck will pass emissions test ..........an OWB dont.
There are no states , towns , governments baning my truck

A OWB doesnt have to pass any standards because they havent made any for them yet.
Your 91 bronco belches emmissions at a pretty good clip compared to todays trucks. Maybe we should ban 91 broncos?

 

[bwalker]

BTW how much particulates are put into the atmosphere by plowing fields and driving down dirt roads?

 

[Rspike]

A OWB doesnt have to pass any standards because they havent made any for them yet.
Your 91 bronco belches emmissions at a pretty good clip compared to todays trucks. Maybe we should ban 91 broncos?

Yep , Again with grasping for straws and off topic.

 

[bwalker]

Yep , Again with grasping for straws and off topic.

Its no differant than what your are proposing.
I think next week you should go after the auto repair shops, loggers and farmers who use waste oil burners.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Butch(OH)]

Yep , Thanks for the link .........Just as i thought. Buttered #'s This maybe... on an OWB on "Continuous firing 182 M5H Particulate" but how about "Intermittent firing 1862M5H Particulate "? WOW how the #'s change in real life running.

Ever see an OWB burn full time with out shutting off/down ? There is a big difference between half the information and ALL the information.

I have to give you credit tho ....... it was worth a try.

Buttered info, LOL Come on now Spike you can do better than that.

Lets see now, what did you tell a fellow a few days ago who questioned some EPA data you posted?

"SOooooooooooo ..... Your saying that everybody should take "your" word for it over state testing and EPA testing"

Believe it or not I agreed with you then, and still do now, LOL

Let's be serious for a minute here.
do you think it would be fair that system "A"which is capable of say 150,000 BTU would be tested side by side with system "B" at say 100,000 BTU for TOTAL emissions? Even at equal amounts of cancergas output per BTU delivered the higher BTU unit would show higher cancergas per hour. SO if a person wanted to skew results all he would have to do is use a higher BTU capacity for the unit he wanted to look bad. Now to their credit our friends at the EPA did not do that dirty little trick and throttled the OWBs back to a output of 15,000 BTUs. I am not trying to psycho analyze the test but it would seem that since on off cycles make more pollutants per your sources that a test at 15,000 BTU would cause more pollution that one at say 30,000 thus I fail to see the buttering that would bias this test towards OWBs I see it the other way. Believe it or not I would like to see real info that is unbiased either way. I think more useful data would be pollutants per thousand BTUs delivered instead of totals?

50 outside and I am warm and comfy and haven't put wood in since yesterday and just cam out of a bath with free hot water, well almost free have to run them pumps. Sorry couldn't resist.

 

[Rspike]

Hey , I got the information right off the pdf file you posted.

Buttered info, LOL Come on now Spike you can do better than that.

Lets see now, what did you tell a fellow a few days ago who questioned some EPA data you posted?

"SOooooooooooo ..... Your saying that everybody should take "your" word for it over state testing and EPA testing"

Believe it or not I agreed with you then, and still do now, LOL

Let's be serious for a minute here.
do you think it would be fair that system "A"which is capable of say 150,000 BTU would be tested side by side with system "B" at say 100,000 BTU for TOTAL emissions? Even at equal amounts of cancergas output per BTU delivered the higher BTU unit would show higher cancergas per hour. SO if a person wanted to skew results all he would have to do is use a higher BTU capacity for the unit he wanted to look bad. Now to their credit our friends at the EPA did not do that dirty little trick and throttled the OWBs back to a output of 15,000 BTUs. I am not trying to psycho analyze the test but it would seem that since on off cycles make more pollutants per your sources that a test at 15,000 BTU would cause more pollution that one at say 30,000 thus I fail to see the buttering that would bias this test towards OWBs I see it the other way. Believe it or not I would like to see real info that is unbiased either way. I think more useful data would be pollutants per thousand BTUs delivered instead of totals?

50 outside and I am warm and comfy and haven't put wood in since yesterday and just cam out of a bath with free hot water, well almost free have to run them pumps. Sorry couldn't resist.

 

[Rspike]

Its no differant than what your are proposing.
I think next week you should go after the auto repair shops, loggers and farmers who use waste oil burners.:hmm3grin2orange:

I'm posting about tests and bans of OWB as its written , links and information. Your posting about a whole different topic. How is that the same? You grasping for straws and posting about indoor stove ashes , bugs and mess and your friend that cant stay clean. Not sure what that has to do with cites, states and town getting rid of OWB. I dont think my truck that passes emissions has to do with OWB and the test #'s they dont want anybody to know about.

Now your on to dirt roads and farmers ?

Get on topic and post some "good" information , if you want to take about another topic then start another thread.

My wood stove and truck has emissions standard and pass them both..... lets talk about the topic OWB and what there doing.

 

[bwalker]

MY OWB passes all applicable standards as well.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Rspike]

MY OWB passes all applicable standards as well.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

LMAO , 2 points ....... that was funny.

 

[daddieslilgirl]

ban on wood fired boilers

ok ive kept my mouth shut until page 7! ours keeps my parents 2600 sq ft home warm, up and down, trust me its hot, plus now with my new baby neice it also feeds my brothers house, they ran and wrapped the pipes across the driveway the other day! i opted out so they could get it and i can still cut wood my SIL cant! i will get my outdoor furnace by spring, and id like to see someone come and tell me i cant! im stubborn and mean and this is MY right! what are they gonna do tear it apart? NOT! this is my house my property and thats that! and for everyone for the epa against creosote build up maybe ya ougtta shut your traps, (seems to be thats clogging your brains) and there wouldnt be any problem!! yes im prepared to be blasted! but when you pay my propane, just for my stove, that jumped from 51 to 86.00 that last 8 months, for a 100lb tank, ( i do have the differnt propane), ill show you the math if you want it,then you can tell me how i should cook and heat my home! until then if i cant afford fuel/kero why dont you pay it for me??? there will come a time when the electric goes out and youll wish to heck you had a woodstove of any kind!! we have one for just that reason! ill be warm and youll be freezing your butt off! yes we preserve water so dont go there! people like you who has never gone without or live where i do (yes my choice) during any kind of storm wouldnt understand! i feel like im talking to an idiot! we all need to be warm! show me the benifits of your heating system..thats helped put a hole in the ozone layer???? bring it on on ill give as good as i get! i dont have the cash that you might, heck i cant even get my oil barrel filled and your complaining about woodsmoke? im glad your family will be warm by electric heat and propane but what about mine when this is all ive got?????????????? a woodstove inside? that you want to ban? then may i suggest regrettfully start wiping your hiney on ferns because TP is a wood product!

 

[CaseyForrest]

Nope , No Hybrids here . 1991 Ford Bronco 351C 4x4 Silver Anniversary Special . The truck is fully with in goverment specs , exhaust and all. A whole 15 MPG town, 16-17 highway . Times have change but what i drive has not. I only drive under 4k miles a year.

My truck will pass emissions test ..........an OWB dont.
There are no states , towns , governments baning my truck.

So do i buy a new truck for $40,000 and still get 15 MPG ?
How about i buy a new Hybrid and pull the big trailers i need to pull . off road 4x4 Hybrids ? Just wont work brother.

Thats my point.

And there are a few in government that want to ban vehicles such as yours.

BTW, Nice truck, Ive always like the full size broncos.

 

[MS-310]

RSPIKE,

Dam you listen The post that I made was from EPA form.... screaw it belive what you want.....
OWB rock

 

[windthrown]

Off topic?

(screaming and howeling about OWBs snipped)..... lets talk about the topic OWB and what there doing.

Heeeeey Mister smarty welder pants... YOU are the one with all the posts comparing OWB emissions to.... DIESEL TRUCKS! Yes, right thar, in them thar posts, Rspike moans and complains that an OWB pumps more crap into the air than them thar DIESEL TRUCKS. Then there are graphics, and charts listing diesel truck emissions and comparing them to OWBs.

So... what is this complaint of yours about going off-topic and talking about Bronco emissions????? Hypocrates said something about that once...

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

 

[Rspike]

Heeeeey Mister smarty welder pants... YOU are the one with all the posts comparing OWB emissions to.... DIESEL TRUCKS! Yes, right thar, in them thar posts, Rspike moans and complains that an OWB pumps more crap into the air than them thar DIESEL TRUCKS. Then there are graphics, and charts listing diesel truck emissions and comparing them to OWBs.

So... what is this complaint of yours about going off-topic and talking about Bronco emissions????? Hypocrates said something about that once...

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

I didnt bring up truck emissions , that was CaseyForrest so i answered his question because i didnt have any thing to hide .

The charts listing diesel truck emissions , well ........ Your going to have to talk with the EPA about that . I just posted the chart , i didnt make it. Would you of been happier is they compared OWB to chicken farms ? Good Lord man.

So its been a few days now from a last post and this is the best you could come up with to enlighten us on Outdoor wood boilers ? Thats sad.

Looks to me you just wanted to start some $hit ...........AGAIN.

Quit ca-b-i-t-c-h-en and bring some information to the table and read whats posted so we dont have to correct you and read it for ya.

Now that "little windthrown" has posted his PMS tantrum maybe some one has some updated information.


O' and BTW little windthrown

Heeeeey Mister smarty welder pants...

Nice , Ya got me there......That was about two years old of ya. This is an adult forum , post like an adult or go else ware.

 

[DanMan1]

Don't forget, this IS the world wide web. You just MAY be having a sensless argument with a nine year old on the other end using his daddy's computer.

 

[Rspike]

Don't forget, this IS the world wide web. You just MAY be having a sensless argument with a nine year old on the other end using his daddy's computer.

True that .

 

[windthrown]

OK, Adios then...

Well Mister Welder dude, there is obviously no point in debating this issue with you, so what's the point. I will leave this thread and you can post all the disinformation crap that you want about whatever you want, and hey, who really cares anyway. Flap your yap 'til the cows come home.

Time to move onto other issues and debates with saner people, like with 8 and 9 year olds out on the playground. Adios fellow outdoor wood boiler people. Live long and burn the wood outside.