Not trying to stir the pot or start a long bar short bar fight as I don't have a 461 and I am not a pro, but I believe there is another question or two to ask yourself - what bar length do you need for your cutting conditions and your style of cutting? As I said, I'm no pro but for falling I believe generally a bar length as long or longer than the diameter of your cut is safer (and quicker) than using a short bar (less time behind a partially cut tree, easier to line up cuts and create/protect a good hinge, and can give you just a little more distance from the tree if needed). As to bucking a stable log, a short bar is probably quicker and safer (less likely to stick your chain into something else). Unstable logs, I would say a long bar is generally safer for the operator (added distance from the hazard and possible slower kickback). Note my emphasis on your cutting conditions and style; there are many things that just come down to you, your cutting conditions and your preferences - bar length is one of those things. After you decide on the bar length then how much saw do you needed, and in your case is a 461 enough? Sounds to me like it is. :msp_smile: Ron