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In Germany, you need a license to buy and use a chainsaw, and you have to take a safety course to get it. I suppose they figure that since the government pays your medical bills, they have the right to insist you know what you are doing first.
Partly it is the culture of specialization that pervades our society these days, but Europe has a particularly advanced case of the disease (we're not far behind). Everyone has their own narrow area of expertise, and outside of that you must hire a specialist. If you need to run pipes, you hire a certified and insured plumber, wiring an electrician, carpentry, masonry, mechanical, etc. From what I've seen the UK is especially bad - you can't fart without certification and your green safety jacket.

I reject this. Our forebears were generalists who were decently proficient in a variety of areas, and probably expert in several. This is one reason why I live in the country, so that my activities are not much noticed and I can do my work myself. It's pretty much what it means to be a country boy or girl in my book. There are limits, and knowing them is important - I will hire a pro when things are beyond my ability, when I cannot justify the investment in equipment or time learning (like when it's not a job I'm likely to do again).

Firewood is like that - there is a lot to know in terms of maintaining and using the equipment, and how to work safely. But it is still just another routine task that needs doing. And truthfully, getting the tree on the ground is about where the actual work starts.
 
not tryin to get in this argument here but there are east coast fallers on the F&L side and we do talk to the west coast folks without a big fight. yea, we all do some things different but please folks there really is no need for this east vs west thing ive been seeing. I think maybe some of us on both coasts may have some saw chips on our shoulders and just waitin for someone to say sumthing that could be misconstrued. a little step back from that thinking may be in order here, to just talk to each other like we don't know where each other is from.

Yep, that would be nice. How about the F& L guys go first, knock it off with the "culls" and "morons" and "stupid farmers" and "firewood hacks" and "stacking wood, LOLs" the "don't move here" crap, snarky comments on PPE choices, and so on. There's a big diff between innocent friendly razz and..the other, what goes on.

I have basically about giving up even lurking and reading over there, and I know it is even worse on some other tree websites. Ya'lls stuff don't stink, we get it. fine. We get it, the ""pros" don't like us and have mostly sneering snarky contempt, and it is especially noticeable as it comes from a particular region.

A guy could be the most knowledgeable dude on the planet in discipline x,y,z, but if he comes across like an elitist jerk constantly, well..it sucks. I am only speaking for myself now, but I just don't even care to listen to it anymore, good advice, bad advice, whatever, cutting trees or working on machinery or who cares. I'll muddle on through with my fellow firewood hacks and scroungers over here.

edit: said my piece, done with this particular thread now. The OP certainly could have done it way safer and better, but he got it on the ground and is learning, same as the rest of us (some of us). chainsaws and trees ARE DANGEROUS. We know that. We try to do better, every tree, every guy, one tree at a time. Some trees are just way harder than other trees, but all needed treated with respect and with an eye towards total situational awareness, and safety.
 
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not tryin to get in this argument here but there are east coast fallers on the F&L side and we do talk to the west coast folks without a big fight. yea, we all do some things different but please folks there really is no need for this east vs west thing ive been seeing. I think maybe some of us on both coasts may have some saw chips on our shoulders and just waitin for someone to say sumthing that could be misconstrued. a little step back from that thinking may be in order here, to just talk to each other like we don't know where each other is from.

That's ironic, cause I always saw you as Biggie, and Northman as Tupac. Or maybe Northman was Biggie.
 
Actually, I read every post before I commented. Just read the first page before I watched the vid, and shared my reaction.

Maybe you should read the underlined text I quoted again?

My apologies! Jumping to conclusions has been a weak point of mine. Just seems that everyone thinks it was me in the video. Feels like I'm getting slammed for trying to help bring a little more light into the world of "DIY firewooding".
Again my apologies if I offended you or anyone.

Perhaps it's time the mods just removed the post. ???????
 
My apologies! Jumping to conclusions has been a weak point of mine. Just seems that everyone thinks it was me in the video. Feels like I'm getting slammed for trying to help bring a little more light into the world of "DIY firewooding".
Again my apologies if I offended you or anyone.

Perhaps it's time the mods just removed the post. ???????

Bah..... I do have to say I may have had half the seat cushion sucked up my ass in sheer terror when I watched the vid, but thankfully no one got hurt....main thing. The tree apparently had a lean the way it looked, being rotted like that I would have put a shallow steep face in it at the base, then gunned the back cut watching the tree....and up REAL good. Wedges on a rotten leaner....ah, I'll pass. Learning from mistakes is sometimes the skool of hard noxs, especially when it's a tree waiting to smash in the ground. Access the lean (weighted side) and let it work in your favor, look for what's gonna bust off over your head, think about your notch and back cut before you even start the saw, and a good clear path off to the side to skip out of the way. Other than that enjoy that Ash! :clap:
 
Wedges on a rotten leaner....ah, I'll pass.


Ya ever pound a wedge in and watch it just mush into the tree? LOL

I help out a mountain biking organization clear and maintain trails; on new trails, one of the things we have to do is clear any/all snags within reaching distance. Had one a few months back that leaned towards the trail and I really didn't want to make more of a mess, so I tried falling it away; hoped I could find a little good wood inside for a wedge... Got a face in, started the back cut, got a wedge in, proceeded with back cut and all of a sudden, hit a pocket of pure mush! Tree sat right down on the bar; tried driving in the wedge and watched in sink into the surrounding wood like a sponge :ices_rofl: Ended up popping the powerhead off, grabbing another saw, and cutting a new face a foot higher 180° around the tree, (now with the lean) and falling the thing back the other way right across the trail. Should've just done that from the start and planned on bucking it up, rather than trying to get cute! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
My apologies! Jumping to conclusions has been a weak point of mine. Just seems that everyone thinks it was me in the video. Feels like I'm getting slammed for trying to help bring a little more light into the world of "DIY firewooding".
Again my apologies if I offended you or anyone.

Perhaps it's time the mods just removed the post. ???????

No need for that at all! :)
 
I took a breath and counted to ten -- I'm better now. I don't hate anyone in this thread, nor have ill feelings toward them. Nobody is a cull, and I'm sure you all are a professionals in your own areas.

The moral of the "Sam" story, was. . . Wait for it. . . He was standing directly under a faller cutting down a tree. The distance doesn't matter -- gravity works 24/7 -- it never sleeps. He was also visually blind to the situation, and unable to communicate with his partner. So, to recap; standing in the wrong/bad spot, no line of communication, visually and auditorily blind to current and probable hazards.

Not having the experience and knowledge to know what may happen, put him in the hospital. He was effectively working above his pay grade. If someone else was there that day, and knew what NOT to do -- Sam would have been clear, and everyone would have went home that day.

BTW, the thing in my sig is tongue and cheek. :p

Oh, and what do you call someone who asks for advice, and then does the opposite?

An Askhole. Bwahahahaha

:sucks:
 
Bah..... I do have to say I may have had half the seat cushion sucked up my ass in sheer terror when I watched the vid, but thankfully no one got hurt....main thing. The tree apparently had a lean the way it looked, being rotted like that I would have put a shallow steep face in it at the base, then gunned the back cut watching the tree....and up REAL good. Wedges on a rotten leaner....ah, I'll pass. Learning from mistakes is sometimes the skool of hard noxs, especially when it's a tree waiting to smash in the ground. Access the lean (weighted side) and let it work in your favor, look for what's gonna bust off over your head, think about your notch and back cut before you even start the saw, and a good clear path off to the side to skip out of the way. Other than that enjoy that Ash! :clap:
Yeah...
I'da cut it too...
It's a dead Ash tree, and I would have wanted it...
Guilty as charged...
 
I took a breath and counted to ten -- I'm better now. I don't hate anyone in this thread, nor have ill feelings toward them. Nobody is a cull, and I'm sure you all are a professionals in your own areas.

The moral of the "Sam" story, was. . . Wait for it. . . He was standing directly under a faller cutting down a tree. The distance doesn't matter -- gravity works 24/7 -- it never sleeps. He was also visually blind to the situation, and unable to communicate with his partner. So, to recap; standing in the wrong/bad spot, no line of communication, visually and auditorily blind to current and probable hazards.

Not having the experience and knowledge to know what may happen, put him in the hospital. He was effectively working above his pay grade. If someone else was there that day, and knew what NOT to do -- Sam would have been clear, and everyone would have went home that day.

BTW, the thing in my sig is tongue and cheek. :p

Oh, and what do you call someone who asks for advice, and then does the opposite?

An Askhole. Bwahahahaha

:sucks:

I need you to come visit for a couple days Nate...
I got this dead Elm tree I been tap dancing around...
I'm afraid to even poke it with the loader...

I'll hold the camera...
:laugh::laugh:
 
Ummm, sounds like a candidate for the 12 gauge and some beer. :eek:
However you think we can make it go boom!!!
I ain't sticking a saw in that rotten behemoth!!!
With my luck, I'd notch the only solid wood in the tree...
It's only about 48" across though...
So bring the short bar...
:rock:
 
However you think we can make it go boom!!!
I ain't sticking a saw in that rotten behemoth!!!
With my luck, I'd notch the only solid wood in the tree...
It's only about 48" across though...
So bring the short bar...
:rock:

4' across eh? That'll take slugs, and a 2 sixers of Leinenkugels. :cool:
 

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