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zogger

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Grim Repair, I don't buy that argument either (insert here beating a dead horse emoticon). But hey, I figured out the faller feller thing this evening thanks to the Bailey's flyer I just got. Professional Fallers must use Stihls as Bailey's lists the Husky 3120XP as a Professional Felling saw. :) Ron

I think we'uns need our own vernacular for this slice of the country. I propose "tree tippin" over them other awkward bad tensed up werds.
 
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Might be Ron. In the big woods of deep south tell them to get you a Husky and they'll bring you an eskimo dog.

When I was last in the deep South, McCullochs and Homelites ruled. I still run old Macs.

I think we'uns need our own vernacular for this slice of the country. I propose "tree tippin" over them other awkward bad tensed up werds.

For some reason tree tipping makes me think of cow tipping. I've never heard of directional tree tipping. Just as well as plain old tree tipping probably describes a lot of us.

Ron
 
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Gologit, I try to avoid stacking wedges and when I do I try to have twin stacks in case I have a blow out. I alternate blows as necessary to try and maintain tension on both stacks. I don't know if this is the correct way so I am ready to stand corrected

Ron

You're fine, nothing to correct there. Just keep both sets of wedges as even as you can so that the pressure stays the same.
 
Gypo Logger

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It happens. Improper wedging is sometimes worse than no wedging at all. A wedge will only do so much and when you get to the point where you're stacking wedges you're asking a lot. I've done it and I'll undoubtably do it again but it's usually because I read a tree wrong and I'm trying to make up for it.
Too much lift will sometimes break a hinge before you're ready for it. When that happens you've lost every bit of control over the tree and gravity takes over. Run.
If you're all sawed up in the back cut and you're wedged up tight and nothing is moving just wait a minute and see if anything happens. See if the tree is rocking on the wedges. Sometimes it's hard to see but any little bit of wind will make a difference.
You can keep trimming your hinge down but beyond a certain point...and that point differs with every tree...you're gambling.
All this talk about the hinge being set at a certain percentage of the tree's diameter and if you do this the tree will always do that is absolute crap... pure and simple. If every tree was exactly the same maybe making hard and fast rules would work. Our job would sure be easier if things worked that way.
One way that I've found to start moving a tree that stalls out is to trim a little...very little... off the hinge on one side to where you then have a tapered hinge. Wedge it but don't hammer the wedge tight. I don't usually agree with wedging anywhere but in the desired direction of fall but in this case it usuallly works to get the tree started. Usually. Watch your wind. Just be ready to run because with that piece of the hinge gone, the rest of the hinge tapered, and your original wedges driven tight that tree will go where it wants to.
Hey, every once in awhile one goes sideways on you. Once in awhile you'll cross the lead. It shouldn't happen very often though. Makes the skidder operator grumpy.
Got any pics Bob? A picture is worth a thousand words.
 
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John why did you wrap chains around them trees?
It was mostly because of lack of confidence when I didn't understand a Dutchman and because the trees were big bucks and didn't want butt shatter or fibre pull. The chain binder just prevented butt shatter and ensured that a butt log was high grade instead of fuel wood. I don't think I'd chain the same tree today.
 
USMC615

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Unfortunately, these were hard to pack into the woods.
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Any man in this tree business who has roughly 1400 more 'likes', than he does actual posts...speaks zero ******** in my book. Gotta tip my hat to ya. I'm no logger, woodsman by trade, just side stuff...I enjoy reading your no frills, no spills advice... Gypo Logger the same. Good reading gentleman!!
 
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Any man in this tree business who has roughly 1400 more 'likes', than he does actual posts...speaks zero ******** in my book. Gotta tip my hat to ya. I'm no logger, woodsman by trade, just side stuff...I enjoy reading your no frills, no spills advice... Gypo Logger the same. Good reading gentleman!!
That guy is smarter than most doctors ,he has taught me a lot :bowdown:
 
Gypo Logger

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Any man in this tree business who has roughly 1400 more 'likes', than he does actual posts...speaks zero ******** in my book. Gotta tip my hat to ya. I'm no logger, woodsman by trade, just side stuff...I enjoy reading your no frills, no spills advice... Gypo Logger the same. Good reading gentleman!!
The likes really dont mean a lot. Its more about putting your mouth where your saw has been. image.jpg
 
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USMC615

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Dont judge a persons quality based on their likes. At my current rate you'll think I'm an expert in a few more months. Every time I make a comment in the Scrounging thread I get 5-6 likes. Just sayin...



Nice view! WTH is that in the sky, looks like a tear in the space-time continuum. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime)

I understand what you're saying Marshy and you're right...I find all you folks information, knowledge and advice in this business great info to read and try to learn from. You folks can certainly distinguish better, safer, alternative ways to go about handling different tree situations than I can, I assure you. It's all good, informative reading and trying to soak up a little knowledge along the way...to all, keep up the good thread.
 

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