Free Trees

[Trish Parkes]

trish you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. no wonder you are trying to screw someone....you are a lawyer! lol QUOTE]

While I wouldn't go quite as far as you, I'm WAY more suspicious now(hearing that she is in the legal profession) than when I commented previously about this "litigous society".

The more I think about it, the more it makes me think this a setup.....:censored: bait someone in with the promise of free trees and "good intentions" and turn the table when $$ equipment is needed to complete the job at the volunteers expense.....if I'm wrong, then I'm sorry Trish, but I wouldn't come near your property.:notrolls2:

Not a lawyer, worked for lawyers. I do know contracts.

 

[Gologit]

have a long look in the mirror when you are done making this statement.




but you never answered the question.

so you are willing to pay for the tree's to be removed correct?

It looks like Gob-Sap was right...for once. I can't even begin to tell you how much that bothers me. After watching and reading this entire thread I've come to the conclusion that Trish is just another tight-fisted homeowner and she's trying to get quality work done on the cheap.

She didn't say she was a lawyer, and from the way she spells she's probably not a legal secretary, either. Researcher maybe...or the receptionist.

She's being real cagey about this whole project but I think we're beginning to see through her now.

I get calls way too often from homeowners who want me to take trees out for them. Some friend of a friend told them I'm faller and they think that that guarantees I'll take the job. If the initial converstion begins with..."Well, the tree service quoted me an exorbitant price"...I usually don't even go look at the damn thing. You tree guys charge what you do for a reason...usually involving hazards that people like me aren't equipped to deal with. If it's a straight drop with no chance of damage I'll probably do it. My choice, entirely.

If Trish strokes some sucker into taking those trees down and they damage her buildings, or property, will she just write it off ? If there are big wires near the tree and some poor well meaning but totally ignorant week-end warrior fries himself will she just shrug and start looking for another dupe?

She should get some bids from reputable tree guys, pick one she likes, and have the job done properly. They can save out the stuff worth milling and she can sell it, give it away, or whatever suits her. Or tell hubby to grow a set and do the work himself. The fact that hubby isn't doing it tells a tale of it's own.

Otherwise, this job just needs a good leaving alone.

 

[clearance]

It looks like Gob-Sap was right...for once. I can't even begin to tell you how much that bothers me. After watching and reading this entire thread I've come to the conclusion that Trish is just another tight-fisted homeowner and she's trying to get quality work done on the cheap.

She didn't say she was a lawyer, and from the way she spells she's probably not a legal secretary, either. Researcher maybe...or the receptionist.

She's being real cagey about this whole project but I think we're beginning to see through her now.

I get calls way too often from homeowners who want me to take trees out for them. Some friend of a friend told them I'm faller and they think that that guarantees I'll take the job. If the initial converstion begins with..."Well, the tree service quoted me an exorbitant price"...I usually don't even go look at the damn thing. You tree guys charge what you do for a reason...usually involving hazards that people like me aren't equipped to deal with. If it's a straight drop with no chance of damage I'll probably do it. My choice, entirely.

If Trish strokes some sucker into taking those trees down and they damage her buildings, or property, will she just write it off ? If there are big wires near the tree and some poor well meaning but totally ignorant week-end warrior fries himself will she just shrug and start looking for another dupe?

She should get some bids from reputable tree guys, pick one she likes, and have the job done properly. They can save out the stuff worth milling and she can sell it, give it away, or whatever suits her. Or tell hubby to grow a set and do the work himself. The fact that hubby isn't doing it tells a tale of it's own.

Otherwise, this job just needs a good leaving alone.

Yes it does, and to think this broad got us going for 9 pages.
The powerline thing is worst part of it, what if she had conned someone into doing it, someone who wasn't that swift ('cause they bought the b.s.) and they got zapped? If it fell on her house no big deal, but contact with a high voltage line can be devastating, and not just for the guy with the saw.
More of these threads are likely to show up here now, lets not waste our time. If they show good pics and its an easy fall with no powerlines, ok, otherwise, get lost.

 

[Backwoods]

Think about it, even the timber companies hire fallers and loggers to take the trees down and get them to the sawmill, rather then hiring the sawmill operators to fall the trees.

If you have your local arborist take the trees down in short log lengths and offer the free logs for the removal then it would be a more acceptable offer. In fact, the recipient may even make you a shelf or end table or some other small project out of the deal.

However to expect a sawmill operator to do an arborists job and remove hazard trees is a stretch that opens both party’s up for legal problems.

To make this a lot easier on yourself Trish you could even hire a sawmill to come in and mill the wood for you and then you could sell the wood yourself. Everyone would be working under a contract making it a simple business deal eliminating most legal issues.

 

[bullseye13]

HA! I just read this....what a waste of my time! LOL

:notrolls2:

 

[Gologit]

Yes it does, and to think this broad got us going for 9 pages.
The powerline thing is worst part of it, what if she had conned someone into doing it, someone who wasn't that swift ('cause they bought the b.s.) and they got zapped? If it fell on her house no big deal, but contact with a high voltage line can be devastating, and not just for the guy with the saw.
More of these threads are likely to show up here now, lets not waste our time. If they show good pics and its an easy fall with no powerlines, ok, otherwise, get lost.

Yup...I was cutting in too much wind a few years ago and a big fir went sideways on me. It took out a set of power lines which hit a
little animal barn, caught it on fire, and barbecued several goats. I didn't know goats were that expensive...killed the profit for the whole week. Glad it wasn't a house full of people.

 

[Gologit]

Trish has been educated enough in this thread that if a 'week end warrior' does fry removing that front tree I believe she could be found partially or even entirely at fault.

Well, we've given her the information necessary to come to that conclusion but the rest is up to her. Maybe when she gets over being mad she can see the rightness of things.

 

[oldirty]

i wouldnt mind being able to speak as eloquently as some of you fellas. well said.



too bad that pin oak gotta go though, she's a nice one. i actually like to prune them.

 

[czeigler]

If you have your local arborist take the trees down in short log lengths and offer the free logs for the removal then it would be a more acceptable offer. In fact, the recipient may even make you a shelf or end table or some other small project out of the deal.

However to expect a sawmill operator to do an arborists job and remove hazard trees is a stretch that opens both party’s up for legal problems.

To make this a lot easier on yourself Trish you could even hire a sawmill to come in and mill the wood for you and then you could sell the wood yourself. Everyone would be working under a contract making it a simple business deal eliminating most legal issues.

Between what gologit stated prior to this and what backwoods wrote here, I think they hit the nail on the head.

I think a better way to approach these hazard trees was to have them on the ground first and then ask if there was anyone interested in the trees for milling. That would have clarified things up a little.

It would have been a sweeter deal and like backswoods states, the miller might have made an offer with you if you wanted some of the lumber for a project or you could just hire him to do the job.

 

[woodshop]

I think a better way to approach these hazard trees was to have them on the ground first and then ask if there was anyone interested in the trees for milling. That would have clarified things up a little.

Well said... the only thing I would add is that I can understand how somebody like Trish with her lack of understanding concerning milling and such would perhaps not have known to clarify it to that degree. Maybe she assumed we, being tree folks, would assume that... which was actually my first thought when I first read the thread. I get lots of my wood from logs AFTER they have been dropped by a tree professional. After looking at this thread again, and after a few emails with her, I am convinced she expected to have to pay to drop the trees IF anybody other than a certified tree guy with proper equipment did the job... that was kinda assumed. Just as the word "free" was not assumed to mean that you can get something for nothing. She was certainly was not out to scam or "screw" anybody here, that I'm convinced of. Again, did her lack of understanding of how this end of world works cause confusion? Yup... so does that justify jumping to conclusions... everything from she is trying to screw a legitimate tree removal company out of a job to oh, she is a lawyer so there must be dirt somewhere? I'm no fan of the majority of lawyers I know of... don't get me started there, but turns out she ain't one in the first place, and never said she was. She's an accountant and at one time worked for one. I'm not defending this woman, I don't know her from Adam... but I wonder what would happen if one of us tree guy types would have jumped on a (being chauvinistic here) sewing/quilt making forum, or child care issues forum where most of us would probably be out of our element. Again.. not defending her, don't know her, but my take is some folks here jumped to conclusions way to quickly. When we saw the pics things were more clear, but in my book all that did was maybe show that she wasn't as tree savvy as some of us. Should we have expected her to be?

 

[lmbeachy]

Woodshop, for some reason i kinds expected something like that out of you. You have always seemed like a very reasonable person and you expressed you views very good. To bad more of us can't be like that. Lester

 

[woodshop]

Woodshop, for some reason i kinds expected something like that out of you. You have always seemed like a very reasonable person and you expressed you views very good. To bad more of us can't be like that. Lester

...just saying it like I see it, simple as that.

 

[goblin]

Poor, poor Trish....hoisted by her own petard.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the innocent homeowner theory. Too many contradictory statements by Trish herself in this thread for that to be a possibility. According to Trish, she doesn't know trees, yet she has cut down many trees herself. The trees are free, yet she's willing to pay (although pinning down the amount she is willing to pay is like attempting to get any other straight answer from Trish....its as rare as hen's teeth). The trees are easy to drop, as long as you ignore the power lines, structures, fences, and the trees fall in a predetermined direction within a window of 20 degrees. She worked for a large attorney, but is ignorant of the liabilities of such hazardous work. And on and on and on.

Nope, I'm sorry to have to say...but Trish is your classic NYC person transplanted to the suburbs....still trying to pull one over on those gullible or naive enough to fall for the New York City manipulative demeanor.

 

[clearance]

Poor, poor Trish....hoisted by her own petard.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the innocent homeowner theory. Too many contradictory statements by Trish herself in this thread for that to be a possibility. According to Trish, she doesn't know trees, yet she has cut down many trees herself. The trees are free, yet she's willing to pay (although pinning down the amount she is willing to pay is like attempting to get any other straight answer from Trish....its as rare as hen's teeth). The trees are easy to drop, as long as you ignore the power lines, structures, fences, and the trees fall in a predetermined direction within a window of 20 degrees. She worked for a large attorney, but is ignorant of the liabilities of such hazardous work. And on and on and on.

Nope, I'm sorry to have to say...but Trish is your classic NYC person transplanted to the suburbs....still trying to pull one over on those gullible or naive enough to fall for the New York City manipulative demeanor.

Well said, and polite, good one Goblin.

 

[Gologit]

Poor, poor Trish....hoisted by her own petard.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the innocent homeowner theory. Too many contradictory statements by Trish herself in this thread for that to be a possibility. According to Trish, she doesn't know trees, yet she has cut down many trees herself. The trees are free, yet she's willing to pay (although pinning down the amount she is willing to pay is like attempting to get any other straight answer from Trish....its as rare as hen's teeth). The trees are easy to drop, as long as you ignore the power lines, structures, fences, and the trees fall in a predetermined direction within a window of 20 degrees. She worked for a large attorney, but is ignorant of the liabilities of such hazardous work. And on and on and on.

Nope, I'm sorry to have to say...but Trish is your classic NYC person transplanted to the suburbs....still trying to pull one over on those gullible or naive enough to fall for the New York City manipulative demeanor.

You were right...the lady is an opportunist.

Every once in awhile you make sense, not often but every once in awhile. Keep up the good work. Civility suits you, hard as that may be for you to believe.

 

[PA Plumber]

Well said, and polite, good one Goblin.

You were right...the lady is an opportunist.

Every once in awhile you make sense, not often but every once in awhile. Keep up the good work. Civility suits you, hard as that may be for you to believe.

Careful there fellows, Old Gob might ruin his rep!:greenchainsaw:


I have had to agree with him a couple of times recently myself. Did it hurt a little? Sure, but he happened to be pretty much on target.

It is close to Halloween. Good thing. 'Cause this is scary!umpkin2: umpkin2:

 

[goblin]

It is close to Halloween. Good thing. 'Cause this is scary!umpkin2: umpkin2:

Yes, that must be it....this is my time of the year.

 

[El Dia Octavo]

Trish: The sharp words didn't seem called for - the guy was just trying to introduce some reality. I've had large oaks and cherry's removed and felling them can cause great damage - damage that can make a homeowner very unhappy. Good luck with yours.

Goblin: Your signature says "If 90% of the wealth is controlled by 10% of the population, then why would any wage earner ever vote against their own interests by voting Republican?"

We are all wage earners, some just earn more than others. I used to envy the carpenters when I was a laborer because they worked seven hour days and made more money. Anyway, all I can say is, as a rule, Democrats favor taxing "the rich" to help "the poor". This is a nice idea if you're poor, but it is too much like slavery for me. Anytime you compell someone to give you the fruits of their labor it is slavery. I'm not rich, nor am I poor and hungry, but I do know that I would not force a wealthy man to feed my family. I might ASK for help - even beg for it - but I would not force him. That is just wrong no matter how I look at it. So I guess your question is what are your real interests? If you are interested in character and honor, choose man by man (or woman by woman) who to vote for. If people want something they did not earn or an unfair advantage you can force it by electing people who will do that.

 

[Trish Parkes]

Trish: The sharp words didn't seem called for

We are all wage earners, some just earn more than others. I used to envy the carpenters when I was a laborer because they worked seven hour days and made more money. Anyway, all I can say is, as a rule, Democrats favor taxing "the rich" to help "the poor". This is a nice idea if you're poor, but it is too much like slavery for me. Anytime you compell someone to give you the fruits of their labor it is slavery. I'm not rich, nor am I poor and hungry, but I do know that I would not force a wealthy man to feed my family. I might ASK for help - even beg for it - but I would not force him. That is just wrong no matter how I look at it. So I guess your question is what are your real interests? If you are interested in character and honor, choose man by man (or woman by woman) who to vote for. If people want something they did not earn or an unfair advantage you can force it by electing people who will do that.

Thank you for your kind words - I dropped out long ago on this subject. Good luck with politics with these guys. You could tell by the way talk (the name you were looking for is socialist) they resent the fact that maybe someone could afford to have work done and give something away no strings attached (I believe that's call catholic charity). It's why you never hear of Muslim charities or atheist charities etc. I'm pretty sure catholics have cornered the market on giving something for nothing. I just need to learn where my market is and it's not here. Good Luck!

 

[El Dia Octavo]

Trish: You're welcome...but I think you misunderstood. You made some comments that were not called for - I was not agreeing with you. I think these guys know what they are talking about and it is in your interests to listen.

Then again, when I went back and read thru the comments there were several kind of insulting remarks made to you, too.

I don't get this. What is gained by being impolite?

Oh well...back to lurking.