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Finally a safety guy that gets it!I work with clueless Corporate safety koolaid drinkers every day"all accidents and injuries are preventable"horsesh!t.Anyone who's worked in high risk(as I have my whole life)knows that freak of nature stuff happens.What he is talking about is the percentages and guys that think the odds don't count against them because they are "good".We've all seen the guy with 10,000 dollars worth of PPE and a ten cent brain the problem for us "Pros"is guarding against the .10 cent days.If you walk out in a pasture that Mama cow with a new calf doesn't know if you are the Urban Cowboy or Larry Mahan and don't care.Neither does a tree,a chainsaw,a locomotive,a bridge beam or any of the other stuff that people pay you to work with to assume risk that they don't care to take.


The longer you get away with it the more likely you are to get hurt. The chance compounds every time you beat it is what I was told by a statstitician (sp) once.

Now, I don't believe that fully, because care and skill and caution go a very long way to keep a person and those around them safe and there are too many people who beat all the so called odds and live to a ripe old age in every profession.



Mr. HE:cool:
 
The longer you get away with it the more likely you are to get hurt. The chance compounds every time you beat it is what I was told by a statstitician (sp) once.

Now, I don't believe that fully, because care and skill and caution go a very long way to keep a person and those around them safe and there are too many people who beat all the so called odds and live to a ripe old age in every profession.



Mr. HE:cool:

Yup. Living long enough to get old in this business usually means you were good. And lucky, too.
 
Good:confused:.....Hahahahahaha!

It's always better to be "lucky" than good!!!!!!

You still have that embossed on your business cards?

We were talking about you the other day. There were three or four of us and between us all nobody could come with anything positive and complimentary about you. We talked a long time, too. :laugh:
 
You still have that embossed on your business cards?

We were talking about you the other day. There were three or four of us and between us all nobody could come with anything positive and complimentary about you. We talked a long time, too. :laugh:

.....stop being so negitive Bob!......you know the older a logger "gets", the better they "were"!......Hahahahahaha!
 
Watching that video made me re-live some of the close calls that I have had... I grew up on a family farm in KY. I didn't know what PPE was. I currently don't own a helmet. I'm changing that. After talking with my SO, I'm ordering a Husqvarna ProForest Chainsaw Helmet System. If it keeps saw chips out of my eyes, it's worth the 40 bucks. I fully intend on purchasing chaps and more PPE fairly soon as money permits.
 
AS newb here. I'm as far as page 16 but thought it worth bringing up but not sure if it's been mentioned yet. I'd highly recommend going to a concussion/sports injury specialist and having baseline testing done so they can track any changes. I've tried it and damn, it was kinda tough.

I haven't watched the video yet (will do when I screw up the courage) but this has been a VERY informative thread so thanks for putting it front and centre.


WB
 
Holy Hell Brad!!! I'm glad you're still alive! I have mis-read a few but luckily saw it before it was too late. Dad dropped on awhile back and ruined the 20" bar we had on his 039 when the tree came back on him. I was servicing saws a little ways off and saw it starting to go the wrong way, but couldn't yell loud enough. I ended up running over and grabbing him. It wasn't nearly as big, but it was still about a 45" tree and landed exactly where he had been. It was a pretty big wake-up call for the both of us. Unfortunately it's easy to get complacent when you've built up a bit of confidence and experience. I'm gad you made it out ok. Hair and chainsaw bars are minor compared to being buried...
 
When's the big day? Got your mancave built?

LOL...I retired four times already...and that was just this year. I turn down, and pass on to the other guys, more work than I take and that's got to be some kind of progress.

Gotta say though, when one of those really nice falling jobs comes along...good timber, good ground, short commute, and decent money, it's pretty hard to say no.
 
The longer you get away with it the more likely you are to get hurt. The chance compounds every time you beat it is what I was told by a statstitician (sp) once.

Now, I don't believe that fully, because care and skill and caution go a very long way to keep a person and those around them safe and there are too many people who beat all the so called odds and live to a ripe old age in every profession.



Mr. HE:cool:

I don't really believe on the odds catching up with you thing. The key is to realize that every time you go out in the woods with a saw there are hazards present. The key is to minimize the things you have control over, i.e. wearing proper ppe that is in good shape, maintaining your saw and replacing damaged parts, and giving your full attention to the hazards at hand.

Just as important as the equipment, and really moreso is being able to assertain the hazards in the field and mitigating what you can. When you're new then luck plays a hand as you don't know what can or can't kill you. When you've got enough experience to know what to look out for, the key is realizing when you come upon something you haven't had to deal with before, and even more important, when things change you re-evaluate the hazards. Typically when an old hand gets hurt its because something changes but instead of stopping and taking 10-20 minutes to evaluate the hazard and how to mitigate it, he just plows right ahead and gets bit.
 
Typically when an old hand gets hurt its because something changes but instead of stopping and taking 10-20 minutes to evaluate the hazard and how to mitigate it, he just plows right ahead and gets bit.

Typically? Bull. Occasionally? Maybe. But typically? No way.

If you're cutting an old fir snag, say 150 feet tall, and it has a lot of rotten limbs that could break off, fall down, and bonk you on the head you spend a lot of time looking up...or you should anyway.

But, knowing that danger is above you, you go ahead and cut anyway. That's your job and you damn well better do it. Or don't do it and go home because you probably won't have a job anymore. But somebody is going to cut that tree.
Those rotten brittle limbs and the fact that they can fall is part of the risk you assume. It's a very common situation and the risk, although constant, isn't unusual. You sized the tree up, realized the risk, accepted it and cut the tree. That's the job.

But if a faller took "10-20 minutes to evaluate the hazard" there still wouldn't be any way to mitigate it. You cut, you be aware of the hazards, you look up, and you stay light on your feet and ready to move.

No old timer that I know, and I know a few, who made a career out of working in the woods will just "plow right ahead" without being very aware of his risks. And you know what? They still get hurt occasionally through no fault of their own. Sometimes they get killed.

You cannot defend yourself against every possible dangerous thing that can happen. Evaluate all you want. Mitigate whenever you can. It might help but it's sure no cure.

But don't ever make the mistake of thinking that every injury or every fatality is somebody's fault. Occasionally whatever entity that decides such things unbuttons it's pants and, laughing, pisses all over the pillar of science.

I'm not saying that loggers don't make mistakes. They do. And some don't survive their mistakes. But sometimes things just happen.
 
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very well said Bob. I ain't looked at a tree 20 minutes in my life, they don't stick around that long. that said, wood cutters are not loggers and shouldn't hesitate to leave one alone if they don't think they are safe to cut it. like loggit said, it is our job to take risk but not everyone's job.
 

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