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So I know this topic has been covered a little on the forum but I wanted to offer some personal exerience and thoughts and invite others to weigh in on the subject. The question at hand is what is the best scenario for sizing saws for general use in a small farm, wooded lot, etc. My first experience with this was about 15 years ago when I had a 4 acre lot with a good mix of large pines and poplars. At that time I had a Echo CS4400 and a Makita 6401 (HD Rental) which were both great saws. It was then that I learned that the 60/40 solution worked well. The Makita at 64cc is a strong performer and the CS4400 at 44cc was light enough to carry through the woods but strong enough to do most work. I was happy as a clam. I had discovered the best balance for me at the time. More recently, I am in a slightly different situation with a smaller lot (2 acres) with mostly cedars and smaller pines with a few smaller hardwoods. Nothing over 18" diameter. But here in NC we are prone to ice storms and significant tree damage is possible in any winter, or in the fall when hurricane season is in full force. I had wound up with 2 50cc saws, a Stihl MS271 I bought right after a major ice storm, and a Makita 520, both great saws. But it was obvious having 2 saws the same size made little sense and I wanted to recreate my 60/40 solution. But I apparently made a mistake in my selections which cost a few dollars. I had bought an Echo CS370 which is a nice light weight well balanced saw, but a little underpowered for medium size work. I also bought a used Makita 6421 but after hauling it around the lot for a couple of days, realized it was too heavy and too much trouble for the size of trees I have. I do not burn firewood but love cutting wood. So I realized that I went from one mistake to another. In the first case I had 2 saws that were sized very close to each other, in the second case, I had 2 saws that were too extreme (too small for anything but light work, and too big/heavy for my larger work. So after some careful thought and research I wound up with Makita EA4300 (Dolmar 421) and a Dolmar 5105. Now I realize one may say these 2 saws are too close in size but let me explain why this works for me. First off. I insist on having 2 saws because you never know when you need a rescue or have mechanical issues or have a buddy come along or want to help someone else. I am partial to Makita/Dolmars and Echo brands but respect Stihl and Huskys as well. After evaluation the Echo CS490, Stihl MS241, and the Makita EA4300, I settled on the Makita. It is a strong performer for its size as others have stated. I went with its slightly larger brother the 5105 because it was within my upper weight limit of 12 lbs but strong enough to manage a 20" bar and cut anything that would come my way. Both run the 3/8 LP bars and I can interchane as needed. But here is my takeaway on all of this: Chainsaw selection need not be complicated and for the average homeowner, it is just a walk to the big box and buy a saw and do it. But to some of us, this is a serious decision that requires a lot of thought (at least for me it did). Obviously I did not consider my situation carefully enough when I purchased the previous saws, and yes I was a little fickle here, trying to fine tune things. For instance I let the Stihl go because I did not like how stingy it oiled. And the Makita 520, while a fine saw, was just a hair underpowered but fairly light nonetheless. But anyway, the thought process goes like this, find the right saws for weight/power/price at the top level, then move into features, dealers, brand etc. To find the right balance of 2 saws, consider firewood or not, walking or not, hardwood/softwood mix, diameters etc. For me it came down to what do you want as your main saw: a lighter strong performer (think Stihl MS241 great saw but too exensive) or heavier saw that is strong enough to do everything (think Makita 6421 or Echo 590). The Makita Dolmar 42 cc is great because it is strong and still within a lighter weight class. It is all about range. Saws under 40cc will just not do medium size work to the satisfaction you want. Saws over 50 to 55 cc can be heavy and too much work if you have to carry them. So a narrower range of 42 cc and 51cc works for me. I have the power I need, the backup I need, the decent power/weight ratio etc. Avoid the extremes, and stay with lighter weights. The most expensive mistake I made in chain saw purchasing is chasing more power than I needed. I suspect I will use the Makita EA4300 about 70% of the time. I bought the 5105 used for 325, and the Makita for 315. Some money for Oregon Pro-Lite bars (16 and 20) and some semi-chisel non safety chains and I am loaded for bear.
 
Good story. I'm curious why you didn't keep the smaller Echo, sell the heavier Dolmar and add Echo's larger 50cc 500p? Not trying to second guess you, but that would seem to accomplish the same thing and might have been a little easier on the wallet.

Since you've had a variety of the Echo and Dolmar saws, how do you compare quality, performance and value between the two?
 
Good story. I'm curious why you didn't keep the smaller Echo, sell the heavier Dolmar and add Echo's larger 50cc 500p? Not trying to second guess you, but that would seem to accomplish the same thing and might have been a little easier on the wallet.

Since you've had a variety of the Echo and Dolmar saws, how do you compare quality, performance and value between the two?
Great question. I have the Echo up for sale if you want it for 175.00 shipped, only 10 tanks of fuel through it. I actually hate to sell it but cannot justify the expense of 3 saws and needed some money back to pay towards the other 2 saws. I like the feel/handling of the Echo and like their overall simplicity and quality. As to your question on Domar vs Echo, I think when one compares actual weight to performance, they are equals. To be fair to Echo, I did not muffler modify the CS370 yet and am well aware that it would come to life and might be acceptable for me. But after extensive research I came to the conclusion that the 421/EA4300 is one of the best in class for its weight/price point. I actually posted a WTB here on the site for a CS500 and was advised to look at the 490 which I did. It is at the same weight as the (10.8) as the Makita/Dolmar but I have seen video and statements from people who have used both that the Dolmar wins (at least under some conditions). So I bought a new Makita EA4300 and love it. It has the power I need to do most of my work and is light to easily manuever. The 5105 is rated at 3.9 HP which will bury the Echo 490/500 without a doubt but at 1.1 more lbs I expect it should. This was the key to the whole riddle here. Balancing the weight of both saws against price/power. I want a 4HP saw to do the occasional heavy job. The Dolmar 5105 is not too heavy that I could not haul around the lot though. I had a 12 lb limit here (PHO dry). But these are my preferences. I would love to still have an Echo but I have my Echo weed eater at least.
 
One way to look at this is this: say you have a range of trees from 1 to 10 in size. Don't buy a saw rated for 1 and another saw rated for 10. Buy a saw that is rated for 2 or 3 and saw rated for 7 or 8. This way you have some extra power on smaller work and avoid extra weight on larger stuff. At least that was sort of the conclusion I came up wih but your mileage may vary.
 
This was essentially the question that brought me here when I joined in 2005. Many, many saws later, bought and sold alike, I have come to a couple conclusions.

First, you can do a lot of work with a ported 50cc saw, which is a really useful size - it is equally happy 13" or 20", so long as you give it the right chain and sprocket rim.

Second, a stout 75-90cc machine can cut big stuff, bigger than you probably honestly care to handle without the assistance of heavy equipment. So assuming you can say no to dealing with gigantic logs, you do not really need a 395 or 2100 or 084 or 125.

Saws bigger than that, or smaller than the ported 50cc machines, those are specialist tools and unless you need one for some specialist thing you do, you probably don't need to concern yourself with them.

So, what about the small/medium frame 60cc machines? Yeah, I don't know, either. Maybe I don't have enough time on them, or maybe my usual timber types and sizes aren't such that they make sense, but after 11 years here and years of CAD, I have yet to buy one.
 
I am a huge believer of using the smallest saw that can handle the job. Don't take that the wrong way I want it to be a strong enough saw to handle any variables that may come up. I use a 30cc 60cc combo for the timber I have it works very well. Every once in a while I think a 40cc would be nice (and it would) but then I go work on a huge oak that has a 60ft crow that has thousands of small limbs that the little 192 is so nice and light I wouldn't want to be holding a heavier saw for hours of limbing.
 
I see your point. I am not dismantling tree with lots of limbs like that (mostly tall pines etc). But yes for taking down large hardwoods, what you describe makes the most sense.
 
First, you can do a lot of work with a ported 50cc saw, which is a really useful size - it is equally happy 13" or 20", so long as you give it the right chain and sprocket rim
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Yes I agree. I see over on another forum where that a ported Echo 490 runs strong. I wonder if it is as good as a Dolmar 5105? I think if I had unlimited funds I may have wound up with a Stihl MS241 and a Ported echo 490 with no Dolmar. Which gets me to another point. The dolmars represent good value at the expense of a little extra weight.
 
I am a huge believer of using the smallest saw that can handle the job. Don't take that the wrong way I want it to be a strong enough saw to handle any variables that may come up. I use a 30cc 60cc combo for the timber I have it works very well. Every once in a while I think a 40cc would be nice (and it would) but then I go work on a huge oak that has a 60ft crow that has thousands of small limbs that the little 192 is so nice and light I wouldn't want to be holding a heavier saw for hours of limbing.
What I have found it that a 40cc saw will cut the vast majority of what I need to do, and that I only end up using the larger saws for the occasional large blow down. Or because I just feel like it. The GZ400/4000 saws are so light there would be little purpose in something smaller for actual wood cutting.

However, a 32cc saw with a 12" bar is great for trail clearing. The combined weight difference with the short bar is significant when you're carrying it a long way back a trail and reaching all around cutting vines and low branches, and it is still capable of cutting larger stuff.
 
These threads really allow folks to talk about their saws and situations. The right answer is an elusive thing as it changes year to year and from situation to situation. Situation incudes everything from tree's to dealers, from finances to health. SO everyone cutting wood on their wood lot has an acceptable solution or they would be hiring someone else....Me? Went from shelving modern Husqvarna 300 series saws in favor of big old American Iron to big 90cc Jonsered/Husqvarna's combined with 70cc options for the small saw to now retiring 70cc saws in favor of tweaked 60cc low vibration saws for the big saw and a 40cc saw for everything else. Age and injury changed my solution. Patience as well. As short a time ago as five years, the rate my 60cc saw cuts would have driven me crazy, forget the 40cc saw!
Now....if it doesn't get done today, it will be there tomorrow. I'm way more interested in how I will feel the next day after working in the woods than if a saw is a split second faster in a given test log. So the saws that ride around in the truck right now is a blend of practical and ones I just like.

Practical:
Big saw is my tweaked 562 with a "light" 20inch bar. (or my Husqvarna 555 with an eighteen inch B&C ) This saw replaces the spot held first by a series of Homelites, Then a Husqvarna 365, Then a series of 268/272's (Yes went backwards for a few years),THEN a series of tweaked 365/372 builds.
Small saw is my 242 that is both light & Strong. AND I like the damn thing. Build from a junk pile. This saw replaces a Husqvarna 440e.

No practical reason but saws I carry and run often anyway.
MS660 "Blended" with some Huztl/Farmertec & OEM parts along with a 56mm top end tweaked by me. I use this goofy thing and it runs really well and really strong. Big trees, and stumps gets it out of the truck as well as the fun factor when folks understand what it is and are usually quite surprised at how it has performed this last year or so. I don't give a rats azz what anyone says, It's proven to be a great saw. Has a 24in Sugihara bar & LGX chain. Perfect for the bigger hard maple we have here. This saw has taken the place previously occupied by first a McCulloch 797, then a series of Homelite 925's, then a series of Jonsered 920's.

Husqvarna 257. Just been running this a lot because I like to. Simple as that, and a simple saw. Light enough for me to last, strong enough to do a lot of what's needed. Simply like the saw and just like the Huztl MS660, I find reasons to run it. BUT when I know it's going to be a long day, I'm back to either my 555 or 562 (right now 562 is on the truck) for most real jobs on my 100plus acre wood lot. This 257 has taken the place previously occupied by my 455's
 
Good story. I'm curious why you didn't keep the smaller Echo, sell the heavier Dolmar and add Echo's larger 50cc 500p? Not trying to second guess you, but that would seem to accomplish the same thing and might have been a little easier on the wallet.

Since you've had a variety of the Echo and Dolmar saws, how do you compare quality, performance and value between the two?
Actually, If I had to have a 1 saw solution, and I was willing to pay top dollar, I would go with the Echo 500 ported. There is one for sale right now on this site for $550 that is impressive. In that case I would have all the power I need and still have light weight. This saw has great range. But I will stay with the Dolmars as I like their lines and some of the features. Not that starting a saw is any great effor mind you but these Dolmars are just silly. They practically start themselves. And they do feel smooth. A real pleasure for a recreational cutter like myself.
 

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