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The only way that could work is to launch a national neo-nazism-like campaign to demonize wood burning in anything but a Government sanctioned stove by petitioning city folk in large metropolitan areas who have never cut a stick of wood in their miserable life to take action against us unjust self-reliants.
 
Garrett, I like you but damn I hope you had been drinking when you made that post. Your fathers passion for his furnaces is amazing, I can't believe he would agree with that post. That is a PR nightmare for a very good furnace. Mistakes happen, get out of this one while you can. Let the Quality of your fathers workmanship, and enginering do the talking. Aided by us happy customers.
 
More government involvement in my life......NO THANK YOU
Bigger government........NO THANK YOU
Any government "assisting me in heating my home with wood"........NO THANK YOU
Our government in this country is SO FAR OUT OF TOUCH WITH REAL PEOPLE that I actually need less of them........THANK YOU!:msp_biggrin:

Ron
 
Ok, I'll chalk this one up as a loss but I do believe these two things:

1) incorporating the computer into the Kuuma Vapor- Fire to automate the burn allows us to achieve the damn near perfect burn and nearly complete combustion as well eliminate smoke while making wood burning easier.

2) it would be great for business!!

Thanks for letting me have a little fun with you guys today while I was bored as work:)
 
Ok, I'll chalk this one up as a loss but I do believe these two things:

1) incorporating the computer into the Kuuma Vapor- Fire to automate the burn allows us to achieve the damn near perfect burn and nearly complete combustion as well eliminate smoke while making wood burning easier.

2) it would be great for business!!

Thanks for letting me have a little fun with you guys today while I was bored as work:)

You are right, the computer is awesome on the Kuuma. Thats not the way they were stating it. Also, a deal with the DEVIL is not good for business, or anything other than welfare.
 
surprised no one's mentioned these words yet:

" bored miscreant & war dialing "

edit: aw what the heck, lemme throw another turd in the punch bowl.

" stuxnet "
 
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I have been asked by my associates in the company to tone down my LIBERTARIAN politics when speaking with the public so all I can say is THANKS GUYS, likes recieved by me on this thread are heart felt and you have put a big smile on my face this morning, now lets talk to others and persuade them to be like minded.
 
As a stack tester and enigneer I am wondering what they are monitoring to control the burn. Oxygen temperature carbon monoxide air flow? I have thought about monitoring my boiler so I know how to run it better. My goal is to burn more wood before it goes HaHa in the stacked rows. Trying to find more things to heat. Already have my boiler online(the internet). Nice to use while traveling. I can remind the Mrs to put another log on the fire.

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Ok, I'll chalk this one up as a loss but I do believe these two things:

1) incorporating the computer into the Kuuma Vapor- Fire to automate the burn allows us to achieve the damn near perfect burn and nearly complete combustion as well eliminate smoke while making wood burning easier.

2) it would be great for business!!

Thanks for letting me have a little fun with you guys today while I was bored as work:)

You missed 1 April by 5 months and a couple of days.... Damn you're slow :msp_wink: :msp_biggrin:

So develop an interface and software and let people monitor what they will.


In Aus, I have a clean air wood stove - medium, and apart from a fan and the slide air damper.... It's a lump of metal.

Link here - Premium Freestanding Wood Heaters


What happens when the operating system crashes? What about a power outage? Do you need a genset?

Where I am the climate isn't bad and power is reliable - but I have enough gear to have 12 volt light, gas cooktop and wood stove. I can survive..... Would lose most food in fridge/freezer as I only have 80l capacity in 12 volt appliances, but about 500l of 240 volt freezer capacity. Fridge - in reality warm drinks no worries, most other stuff could be used fairly quickly or would likely keep anyway (sauces, jam, veg, etc) and the usual leftovers.
 
Just Imagine the fun some computer hackers could have with this one. Here you are sitting by the tube watching CSI or some other fine program in January and suddenly it gets colder and colder as the computer turns down your heat and you're thinking WTF, or the other way it's July and the woodstove kicks in and cooks you out of the house and you find out somebody in India or some ackistan country is messing with you. Just imagine. Thank you mister g'ment man but no thanks.
 
Maybe it's just me, but where do you all think the wood that we don't burn goes? Studies have shown repeatedly that trees that are not burned and left to rot in a natural state will produce almost the exact same amount of gas/emissions as a tree being burned in a stove. Now lets think what happens to these trees that didn't get burned to save the environment. Hmm what's going on in most states like California right now? They have the strictest GOV/state mandated air restrictions and yet have far worse air that almost anyplace as we speak. All those trees we didn't burn are now being burned. Hmm. Now lets look at the fact that long before man, trees/plants have been burned and is just a part of the life cycle of the forest. I would also venture a guess that the amount of emissions that one forest fire will produce is more than all the old smoke dragon's burning 24/7 for two years.

Second part of this problem is efficiency. There is no direct correlation between usable efficiency and g/hr efficiency. Lets look at diesel vs gas. A diesel car gets better mileage than a gas car being used the same way, but the diesel car will produce more emissions out the tailpipe than the gas car will. There are also stoves that have a higher usable burning efficiency like LHV/HHV and yet have a higher G/hr rating out the stack. I personally will take the usable efficiency over the far less tangible out the stack efficiency.

I have and enjoy my high efficiency stove. I however do not believe being told by anyone that I have to change my stove or whatever to a different one follows any notion of being free. Those who are willing to give up some freedom in exchange for some security, deserve neither, and will lose both. I think people should have the right to do and say as they wish. However freedom works both ways, in that if I don't like what you are saying/doing, you should fully expect a pop in the mouth. I believe in everything in moderation. I do not think loggers should have free run of all the forests or lets face it there would be no forest left. Nor do I think current regulations are the answer as they are too restrictive on some things. I support useful and needed educated legislation, one that follows a strict moral, ethical, and intelligent path. The problem is good legislation is often perverted by the uneducated masses to some other monster altogether than what it was intended or initially passed for. The U.S.A was in great shape 50 years ago because everyone back then came form the rural farm/ranch setting and then moved to a city for an easier lifestyle. They were city folk but they had been out in the real world enough to understand what it was all about. Now the majority of the population is born raised in the city and has absolutely no earthy idea of what real life is all about. They have missed life's lessons on hard work, death, hard times, reaping what you sew, and so forth. Now they have no common sense, and have lost touch with reality. They are taught to think as a group instead of an individual. Everything is given instead of earned, and so they now expect and even think we owe them a living. After all milk comes from the store in a plastic jug, food is made by the restaurants and just magically appears.

Unfortunately man is greedy and must be governed, often unwisely. If left to their own greed they fuel nothing but their own agenda, and only line their own pockets in most instances. I believe we have seen that proved here on this very thread in the form of the OP saying they would support government Nazi program because it was good for their business. I am sure propane company says they would support a total ban on wood heat because it was good for their business. Very few have the integrity to work for our business instead of hoping for, or worse yet supporting a mandated line to their door. Even fewer yet will do what is right even if it means having a little less money in their pocket book. Free enterprise equals a free county, anything else and your on my fighting side.

Perhaps now would be a good time for all of us to re-evaluate our own stance and our priorities. How it would affect the other person/people if we were in their shoes. If you do not like being told what to do, or do not like rules and regulations being raised against things you like to do, then stop and question, ponder, and really think through any notion of supporting any restriction against another. If you enjoy being free than do not take freedom from the rest of us.
 
Ok, I'll chalk this one up as a loss but I do believe these two things:

1) incorporating the computer into the Kuuma Vapor- Fire to automate the burn allows us to achieve the damn near perfect burn and nearly complete combustion as well eliminate smoke while making wood burning easier.

2) it would be great for business!!

Thanks for letting me have a little fun with you guys today while I was bored as work:)
Are you trying to take advantage of the "redistribution" issue? Are you trying to get rich off other people's taxes? Free enterprise will dictate whether or not your product is really all that good and it may be awesome, but prying the money out of people using the government will be a "lose-lose" for everyone in the long run. Solyndra is the most blaring example of what happens when the government gets involved.
 
I don't understand how anyone would believe any of this article is a good idea. First of all, anyone know of a govt. plan that is successful? Usually ends up costing the taxpayer more or just turns into a mess.
Also, why would you want your stove connected to the internet, where others, including the govt. would be able to tap into the system and manipulate the settings.
Remember several years ago, where our president wanted internet controlled programmable thermostats, so the govt could control how warm/cool each individual house was?

NO THANK YOU!
 
I am on a government plan that seems successful. I followed their advice on retirement and was able to do so. Our interstate and highways are pretty good. They were planned. Our local road system is also good except for the forest roads because funding has been cut off for maintenance. Our school system is good, and fair. The Post Office does a good job overall. I could go on and on.

What about airports? Our socialist power company is the best I've ever had as far as price and few power outages. Our highway dept. keeps the mountain pass in pretty darn good shape during the winter. They've got to deal with avalanches and massive snowfalls.

Nope, don't say that all gubmint is bad. Otherwise, if you believe that, don't cry for help when your house is on fire, you are stuck in unplowed snow, need a cop, etc.

Belly aching about government is in style on this forum and many others. But constructive suggestions or perhaps finding out truth in many questionable postings seems to be lacking.
 
I am on a government plan that seems successful. I followed their advice on retirement and was able to do so. Our interstate and highways are pretty good. They were planned. Our local road system is also good except for the forest roads because funding has been cut off for maintenance. Our school system is good, and fair. The Post Office does a good job overall. I could go on and on.

What about airports? Our socialist power company is the best I've ever had as far as price and few power outages. Our highway dept. keeps the mountain pass in pretty darn good shape during the winter. They've got to deal with avalanches and massive snowfalls.

Nope, don't say that all gubmint is bad. Otherwise, if you believe that, don't cry for help when your house is on fire, you are stuck in unplowed snow, need a cop, etc.

Belly aching about government is in style on this forum and many others. But constructive suggestions or perhaps finding out truth in many questionable postings seems to be lacking.

IF you think the post office does a good job I have a few things I would like to sell you. Also it has been proven that UPS could and would be happy to deliver all us mail for less than half of what stamps are now, so right there is a prime example of private enterprise operating more efficient than a gov run mess. Also refer to my previous post in this thread for some other examples. As far as needing the gov for my house on fire I have my own fire hydrant and equipment on my property ready at all times, no one in the history of my family tree has ever called the fire dept. Being stuck unplowed well there again we plow our own properties and most of the township roads around here. As far as needing a cop well with the fire power we have on hand Im pretty sure we all know how that would turn out. You see myself as well as most on this site have been born and raised taking care of our families business ourselves and to be honest if more people in this country stuck to these old traditions we would be better off. Honestly would you rather sit and wait for the gov to come and rescue you or be a real man and take care of what you have created I will take myself any day. I will say that national security is something I will rely on the gov to deal with, which we pay for with our raising taxes.
 

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