Steve NW WI
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Im gonna have to send this sucker into the Politics and Religion dungeon if this keeps up.
How would you feel about a nation wide wood burning appliance change out?
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I agree, it's time for this one to die. The expressed opinions are both universal and strong. No reason to continue beating the dead horse.
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Computer controlled wood stove?...
First: Wow!...If this isn't extreme Gov over reach I don't know what is!...Another massive con job. This is about the juggernaut that is government...nothing else. But there is something I haven't seen much of yet and is the bane of the EPA/tree-hugger crowd: Burning wood in a wood stove is CARBON NEUTRAL!...When using a wood stove you are not putting any new carbon into the atmosphere. You are merely putting back the carbon that tree has absorbed over the years. This is the same amount of carbon being released that that tree would release were it to simply rot on the ground in the forest. And I don't think this matters whether you are using an EPA certified stove or an old wood stove you put together in your shop. It is not a question of burning efficiency. Burning wood is simply carbon neutral any way you do it. New stoves may be more efficient and you may actually use less wood to produce heat but it is a moot point. Debate your neighbors over that one. Do you want more Gov in your lives? Frankly I think they're going to have a very hard sell here. Then again I don't think CO2 should be considered a "green house" gas. Without it no trees/vegetation would grow...no oxygen would be produced...no liberals could exhale...Seems we're getting to the point where we've almost had enough of this government...They have no concept of why they exist or what they're responsibilities are re the Constitution.
First: Wow!...If this isn't extreme Gov over reach I don't know what is!...Another massive con job. This is about the juggernaut that is government...nothing else. But there is something I haven't seen much of yet and is the bane of the EPA/tree-hugger crowd: Burning wood in a wood stove is CARBON NEUTRAL!...When using a wood stove you are not putting any new carbon into the atmosphere. You are merely putting back the carbon that tree has absorbed over the years. This is the same amount of carbon being released that that tree would release were it to simply rot on the ground in the forest. And I don't think this matters whether you are using an EPA certified stove or an old wood stove you put together in your shop. It is not a question of burning efficiency. Burning wood is simply carbon neutral any way you do it. New stoves may be more efficient and you may actually use less wood to produce heat but it is a moot point. Debate your neighbors over that one. Do you want more Gov in your lives? Frankly I think they're going to have a very hard sell here. Then again I don't think CO2 should be considered a "green house" gas. Without it no trees/vegetation would grow...no oxygen would be produced...no liberals could exhale...Seems we're getting to the point where we've almost had enough of this government...They have no concept of why they exist or what they're responsibilities are re the Constitution.
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The only thing you forgot to mention is the fact that trees are the worlds natural filter, if you can burn the fire hot enough and clean enough you may be able to clean up the the atmosphere a bit with
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I really wasn't going to reply to this thread simply because I don't do politics or religion, but one thing I am not seeing deals with cost. Not the cost to have all that junk installed and maintained, but rather the cost of firewood.
Having computers in our stoves that would monitor it's usage could also be used to determine how much wood your actually burning or total BTU output. Do you really think the government would pass on the potential to take even more money out of our pockets? So even if you received the firewood already cut, split, and stacked for free, the government would step in and say "You burned X many cord producing X many BTU's so you have to pay X many dollars."
Monitoring efficiency in my opinion is just a facade for opening the door so they would have the ability to charge us for what we use much like the electric or fuel suppliers. If you let the government open the door even a crack, they will shove it wide open and we will be left to foot the bill for them to line their pockets even more. Not to mention their habitual mismanagement of funds we are forced to give them.
Having computers in our stoves that would monitor it's usage could also be used to determine how much wood your actually burning or total BTU output. Do you really think the government would pass on the potential to take even more money out of our pockets? So even if you received the firewood already cut, split, and stacked for free, the government would step in and say "You burned X many cord producing X many BTU's so you have to pay X many dollars."
Monitoring efficiency in my opinion is just a facade for opening the door so they would have the ability to charge us for what we use much like the electric or fuel suppliers. If you let the government open the door even a crack, they will shove it wide open and we will be left to foot the bill for them to line their pockets even more. Not to mention their habitual mismanagement of funds we are forced to give them.
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Not to mention who is on the hook to pay for repairs if the monitoring system breaks down.
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Computers crash, internet comes a goes with the weather.
Government subsidies are everywhere, what,,mostly with industry, agriculture, welfare, foreign governments,,I worked enough and paid taxes enough, I wouldn't mind getting some back, but, I would just as soon avoid doing business with 'em also.
The "kick back" on my new L.p. water heater,(no pilot lite, fan forced exhaust) way hi-efficiencies qualified for a tax break,,the tag on it said so,,I just never could convince the tax man, nor could my accountant.
Same deal with new Puron A/C unit I installed last year,,,I dunno. I don't need their money anyhow.
I've got an old Rite Way wood stove in the go-rodge with the automatic damper,,it's mechanical like the choke on some old carburetors, much like a couple old Ashleys I had,,it kinda' works okay,,I guess. Fettling my time away in the evenings, poking, prodding and tending to the fire are an honest past time as I service my chainsaws,,works fine without a computer. Goes well with Marshall Tucker on the stereo and cold frosty.
To employ computer controls on a stove sounds okay, I can't see where they need to be hooked up to the web, I wouldn't want it on the web, I see no point in it. What, some geek gonna' call me a tell me it's time to load the stove? My wood aint 20% mc?,,,perhaps I'm obtuse,,I just don't get it.
Now if the government wants to replace my old Woodmaster with a newer model, at no cost to me, with no strings attached, as in I never hear from them again and cover the cost of the swap,,I might be game.
Humph! "Nationwide Changeout Program",,sounds like a campaign for "Hope and Change",,,bet it comes with cool aid and a bus ride. Peace.
Government subsidies are everywhere, what,,mostly with industry, agriculture, welfare, foreign governments,,I worked enough and paid taxes enough, I wouldn't mind getting some back, but, I would just as soon avoid doing business with 'em also.
The "kick back" on my new L.p. water heater,(no pilot lite, fan forced exhaust) way hi-efficiencies qualified for a tax break,,the tag on it said so,,I just never could convince the tax man, nor could my accountant.
Same deal with new Puron A/C unit I installed last year,,,I dunno. I don't need their money anyhow.
I've got an old Rite Way wood stove in the go-rodge with the automatic damper,,it's mechanical like the choke on some old carburetors, much like a couple old Ashleys I had,,it kinda' works okay,,I guess. Fettling my time away in the evenings, poking, prodding and tending to the fire are an honest past time as I service my chainsaws,,works fine without a computer. Goes well with Marshall Tucker on the stereo and cold frosty.
To employ computer controls on a stove sounds okay, I can't see where they need to be hooked up to the web, I wouldn't want it on the web, I see no point in it. What, some geek gonna' call me a tell me it's time to load the stove? My wood aint 20% mc?,,,perhaps I'm obtuse,,I just don't get it.
Now if the government wants to replace my old Woodmaster with a newer model, at no cost to me, with no strings attached, as in I never hear from them again and cover the cost of the swap,,I might be game.
Humph! "Nationwide Changeout Program",,sounds like a campaign for "Hope and Change",,,bet it comes with cool aid and a bus ride. Peace.
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That's just one thing I will address in your statement without trying to get to much into politics or how silly it is to depend on someone who doesn't care a bit about your well being. I don't agree with them getting into our wood burning. That's just one more thing I do to get away from them.
If we had more people like us that were less dependent in the first place we wouldn't be in the sad shape were in.
Lambada controlled boilers have been with us for a long time, not so much in the US.
I decided against them with my install partly for cost but mainly due to lack of available service should anything go wrong.
Having said that there is nothin much more than most people would encounter in a new vehicle.
I decided against them with my install partly for cost but mainly due to lack of available service should anything go wrong.
Having said that there is nothin much more than most people would encounter in a new vehicle.
My antivirus said that the link originally posted was infected with a virus. Just so you know....
Probably some black helicopter guidance system is now on your computers???
That would actually be the IRS who was tasked with the duty to "inspect" all wood burning devices not adheering to efficiency standards or if you apply for wood RECs with the title "tea party" or "conservative" in the application.
I'm from the Govt and I'm here to help.
So for 17 TRILLION dollars we get good roads,electricity, and fire and police. Sounds like a great deal from the government sponsored employee retirement benefits plan perspective.
The standard procedure is to let us Neanderthals know how uneducated and simple we are for not believing the Utopic mindset of the sophisticated class and how unsafe it is for the individual to live unguided.
Just remember you heard it here first....People don't kill people...dirty wood burning stoves do.
Great...Agenda 21 for wood stoves...sigh.:msp_mad:
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I wouldn't be opposed to a tax credit for people changing out an older wood stove to a new model. Letting people keep more of their own money is always good.
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