Bobby Kirbos
Scrounger of Cellulose Based BTUs
She's selling a ton of boat anchors too. Some people call them Macs....
Lady on ebay selling hundreds of chainsaws
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I collect more modern Lionel trains, and we would see similar both at swap meets and ebay, some of the over priced stuff was the guy trying to tell his wife he was selling them, but he had stuff priced that it would never move. A lot of the over priced post war stuff was because some guys wouldn't accept that the bubble burst on those things in the 1990's-2000's
There were a couple ebay sellers, one in particular, that many suspected he was laundering money through. He would find buyers for current items, at well above MSRP, and he did it consistently, not just the occasional buyer that didn't know what he was buying, a good analogy would be selling 3 Husky 435's with IIRC a $199 MSRP and get $250, $310, and $485, plus $40 shipping, and do it with multiple items every week. Back before ebay hid bidders identities you would see that he had 5 or 6 consistent bidders on each of his auctions, Pretty blatant, but he was eventually pulled, I have no idea if any legal charges were ever pressed, but definitely some shady stuff was going on.
Doug
Yup that’s obvious if people are paying more than list!!!I collect more modern Lionel trains, and we would see similar both at swap meets and ebay, some of the over priced stuff was the guy trying to tell his wife he was selling them, but he had stuff priced that it would never move. A lot of the over priced post war stuff was because some guys wouldn't accept that the bubble burst on those things in the 1990's-2000's
There were a couple ebay sellers, one in particular, that many suspected he was laundering money through. He would find buyers for current items, at well above MSRP, and he did it consistently, not just the occasional buyer that didn't know what he was buying, a good analogy would be selling 3 Husky 435's with IIRC a $199 MSRP and get $250, $310, and $485, plus $40 shipping, and do it with multiple items every week. Back before ebay hid bidders identities you would see that he had 5 or 6 consistent bidders on each of his auctions, Pretty blatant, but he was eventually pulled, I have no idea if any legal charges were ever pressed, but definitely some shady stuff was going on.
Doug
You have to wonder how many restaurants are washing funds too....a few of these places never have customers and if you try them the food and service is terrible. Yet they’ve been in business for years and the owner lives very well.
And the little buy here pay here car lots where they never have anyone looking.
Yes! Everything is priced double of what it’s worth.
The traveling “salesman” I came across would sell good stuff for less than it’s worth and extend handshake credit to people he’d never met. I bet his cash intake for the week didn’t even cover his gas and hotel.
Have to admit I've made it to intrigued. Guess I'm just out of touch.Could one of y'all offer an explanation for how these scams work? Appears I've led a sheltered life!
There's quite a few of those businesses here. They launder marijuana money. Even though marijuana was legalized here, it's a primarily cash business and most banks won't touch the money.
A buddy of mine was selling his farm here a couple years ago and it was expected to sell for around $675k. He got several $700k cash offers from growers. He declined though because he wasn't
going to be able to do much with the cash.
Have to admit I've made it to intrigued. Guess I'm just out of touch.Could one of y'all offer an explanation for how these scams work? Appears I've led a sheltered life!
Well with the ebay seller that I watched, he would have say a Lionel 0-6-0T tank switch engine, one I was very familiar with, a Current Catalog item with an MSRP of $109.99, this seller would have 3 of them listed at the same time, and get final bids of $158.xx, $210.xx and I remember one was $301.xx, and shipping on each was $15.00. This was a Current item that you could walk into many Train Shops and buy it right off the shelf for $109.99, many shops would sell at $99.99, and I have seen them mail order for $89.99
ebay started hiding bidders identities, but before that, this seller would have 5-6 regular bidders on all his auctions, there would be random bidders as well, but strangely almost all his auctions were "Won" by the same bidders, It is doubtful that he ever had 3 of that locomotive, there is little doubt that he had the items though as his signature, was all his items were photographed sitting on his deck railing, which led many members to joke that they need to photo their items on their deck railings, as it seems to really run up those final bid prices.
It is a pretty certain bet that he never really sold any of those items, and without tracking how he acquired those items, namely showing that he was just reselling the same item repeatedly.
By selling that same item $109 item 3 times that seller took in $714 with shipping, he not not have even shipped anything, or he may have shipped a brick in a box, to generate a tracking#.
That seller had many listings going at any given time, so he was potentially moving a LOT of money.
In the Model Railroad world there are collectors that would put all but the EXTREME Worst cases of CAD to Shame (Guilty as Charged), I couldn't even guess just how many locomotives I have in several different Scales/Gauges between 100-200 is the best I can say, I have been collecting since I was a kid(54 now), the above mentioned 0-6-0T I have probably 2 or 3 in Union Pacific, the main RR I model/collect, plus Southern Pacific, Weyerhaeuser Timber (I Love the Logging Roads) and a couple others, I have several High End JLC and Vision Line Steam locomotives 8-10, that would be in the price range of a 395XP to a 3120XP.
There are a Few out of production models that will increase in value, the little "Halloween General" a small 4-4-0 steam engine in Halloween decor, has recently declined, but for a long time, examples in good condition commanded prices way out of line with what it is, that had an MSRP of $104.99, but I would see legitimate sale prices of $150 to as much as $275
So it is Possible to see large collections with duplicate items, and some times see inexplicable prices, but for a single seller to have those, and see those prices week in and week out, is Highly suspicious.
If you marvel at some of the cases of CAD you see here, take a tour through the Model Railroad world, you ain't seen nothin yet
Doug
Bobby Kirbos
Scrounger of Cellulose Based BTUs
Yeah, last year I had 1 O-gauge steamer, the 2-4-2 from my childhood. Now I have 2 more steamers (used), and an FM trainmaster (new), all MTH PS2 or PS3. As for that old steamer, I put a BlueRail board in it.Well with the ebay seller that I watched, he would have say a Lionel 0-6-0T tank switch engine, one I was very familiar with, a Current Catalog item with an MSRP of $109.99, this seller would have 3 of them listed at the same time, and get final bids of $158.xx, $210.xx and I remember one was $301.xx, and shipping on each was $15.00. This was a Current item that you could walk into many Train Shops and buy it right off the shelf for $109.99, many shops would sell at $99.99, and I have seen them mail order for $89.99
ebay started hiding bidders identities, but before that, this seller would have 5-6 regular bidders on all his auctions, there would be random bidders as well, but strangely almost all his auctions were "Won" by the same bidders, It is doubtful that he ever had 3 of that locomotive, there is little doubt that he had the items though as his signature, was all his items were photographed sitting on his deck railing, which led many members to joke that they need to photo their items on their deck railings, as it seems to really run up those final bid prices.
It is a pretty certain bet that he never really sold any of those items, and without tracking how he acquired those items, namely showing that he was just reselling the same item repeatedly.
By selling that same item $109 item 3 times that seller took in $714 with shipping, he not not have even shipped anything, or he may have shipped a brick in a box, to generate a tracking#.
That seller had many listings going at any given time, so he was potentially moving a LOT of money.
In the Model Railroad world there are collectors that would put all but the EXTREME Worst cases of CAD to Shame (Guilty as Charged), I couldn't even guess just how many locomotives I have in several different Scales/Gauges between 100-200 is the best I can say, I have been collecting since I was a kid(54 now), the above mentioned 0-6-0T I have probably 2 or 3 in Union Pacific, the main RR I model/collect, plus Southern Pacific, Weyerhaeuser Timber (I Love the Logging Roads) and a couple others, I have several High End JLC and Vision Line Steam locomotives 8-10, that would be in the price range of a 395XP to a 3120XP.
There are a Few out of production models that will increase in value, the little "Halloween General" a small 4-4-0 steam engine in Halloween decor, has recently declined, but for a long time, examples in good condition commanded prices way out of line with what it is, that had an MSRP of $104.99, but I would see legitimate sale prices of $150 to as much as $275
So it is Possible to see large collections with duplicate items, and some times see inexplicable prices, but for a single seller to have those, and see those prices week in and week out, is Highly suspicious.
If you marvel at some of the cases of CAD you see here, take a tour through the Model Railroad world, you ain't seen nothin yet
Doug
My rolling stock inventory has also grown. Damn you Menards!
Huskybill
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In my younger days I cleaned cars, I had the big mafia guys car to clean. I just did my job. Big Lincoln, big tipper. He had businesses too. One guy crossed someone and could put his shoes on his knee caps, not good.
My in-laws father bought a lot of used/crashed/junked cars in the 70's and 80's. He said he found a lot of interesting stuff and dumped out a lot of weed and also some white powdery stuff.
Just saw that as well. Funny as that was the only saw that I was watching.
John from Cle Elum
At some point a decision will have to be made.
"Vintage" is a sellers way of describing junk.
Nah, "vintage" can be good stuff, it just means "2x the price at least." It's like how "patina" means "now I don't have to clean it before selling it".
There are also Men on this forum that sell chain saws using the Tradin' Post. Just thought I would remind everybody.
I tried ladybug, waited for weeks & never got anything other than a refund.... waste of time..
