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While your playing with your rope i'll be on the next job.... Where exactly are you roping to? Are you going to rope them onto the roof when you could easily cut and swing? Are you going to have a guy running the rope and a guy on the roof when they could be chipping? Who's gonna drag that big limb to the chipper and feed it thru when it hits the ground?

Some of you guys must work at a snails pace from the sound of things.
Sorry maybe Im missing something but we don't trim trees to the ground.... Your telling me u can make 5 or more cuts on the end plus grab logs of a limb your standing on faster then tying a knot and make one cut? Or do you only do pines?

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While your playing with your rope i'll be on the next job.... Where exactly are you roping to? Are you going to rope them onto the roof when you could easily cut and swing? Are you going to have a guy running the rope and a guy on the roof when they could be chipping? Who's gonna drag that big limb to the chipper and feed it thru when it hits the ground?

Some of you guys must work at a snails pace from the sound of things.

Not every person is a perfect fit for every company. But there is a reason for tools to have been invented. Chipper winches, wheelbarrows, log dollies, mechanical advantage set-ups, mechanical ascenders, these were created to make the hard work easier. Bruisers are a dime a dozen, hard workers with common sense aren't. I actually don't have any problem with you not wanting a woman at your company because its YOUR company, but at the end of the day, it seems quite absurd to write off half the population immediately.
 
While your playing with your rope i'll be on the next job.... Where exactly are you roping to? Are you going to rope them onto the roof when you could easily cut and swing? Are you going to have a guy running the rope and a guy on the roof when they could be chipping? Who's gonna drag that big limb to the chipper and feed it thru when it hits the ground?

Some of you guys must work at a snails pace from the sound of things.

You are too funny. You go get'em King Kong. Also, if you only carry a 660 on your belt with a 32" bar, sounds like you're not running with the big boys yet. I prefer a 3120 for my climbing saw.
 
One of our best groundies is a woman.....shes also one of the best crane ops. Shes not bad looking and is married with 2 kids and shes also a breast cancer survivor.....winner in my book.


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Hello all-- I'm GroundSquirrel, from Texas, and I'm another lady in the business. I'm a ground 'guy' and I've been doing this for a couple of years. Doesn't make me any kind of an expert by any means, but I did want to share my 2 cents for other women who are giving thought to this line of work.

First-- it's already been said, but I want to acknowledge that as a woman, it's NOT necessary to 'prove' yourself to anyone as long as you have a good work ethic. You don't need to hump huge mounds of brush to make a point. If you are on a good crew, like mine (praise God!)-- what you do will be appreciated so long as you just do your job to the very best of your ability, and make the effort to expand your ability. By that, you ask questions. You ask to learn things. You set your sights a little higher every day and make an honest effort to reach a little higher. You keep your head on a swivel, watch what's happening, keep looking UP, literally, because that's where the action is. Dress for hard, hot and dirty work; there's plenty of time to doll up later. Keep your eyes and your ears open and ALWAYS be mindful of your climber(s). NEVER show up to a job drunk or high, and NEVER 'indulge' on the job-- that's why we have this time called 'after work'. Tree work is dangerous; tree work while messed up is a death wish.

I am a petite woman, and there's no disguising that fact. My crew members and my boss know that. They're also smart enough to know that a 'half ton truck' can't carry as much as a 'one ton', but also wise enough to realize that both 'trucks' are capable of doing useful work so long as they are running right, if you know what I mean. Heck, I'm not even really a 'truck'-- a 'bicycle' is more like it! :p But even a bicycle can do things and go places where a truck just won't go. Thus, another poster's point about the 200 pounder on a small limb, versus the smaller and lighter climber. Heck, I'm so light (just over 100 pounds... yes, I said I was little!) that I can't always mash down a stack of brush on the trailer... but I can slip into those tight little places where piles of brush always seem to gather and get the things that are in places too small for our burly men to fit. But despite my size, I can rope down trees and big cuts like the best of them. I do not climb because I have horrible knees (due for replacement in the too-near future). But I can work a chainsaw, stack brush and firewood, haul a wheelbarrow, feed a chipper, tie knots and basically do all the 'boring' little ground things that are so essential.

Why do I say this? Because, everyone admires the climber. That guy, to many observers, is the 'coolest' person on the crew. But in the end, when you pack up the tools and prepare to leave and get that check from the client-- the ground person is the one who ultimately does the clean up work. People might not immediately notice the 'missed' hanger or 'deader' up in the canopy... but they WILL notice the huge mess in their yard. And, they will NOT be pleased! In a sense, then, the ground person is the one who really puts the bows and ribbons on the job. It doesn't matter how professionally the tree is cut-- if the grounds look like C.R.A.P. (can I say that here?) when you leave, you won't get another call from that client-- and word will spread. The ground person is the one who sees that the climber has what is needed to do the job, and gets it when asked. The ground person is the one who sees to it that brush piles are safe and won't blow off a trailer if it's being hauled away.

So starting off as a ground person is nothing to be ashamed of, not at all. For most, it's a fine place to begin to learn the trade... and for 'older' and more 'beat up' folks like me, it's a noble and necessary function. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I'm proud to be a 'GroundSquirrel'. And NEVER let any buck tell you that women have no business in this business! My boss has hired several women to help out. Some couldn't cut it (ha, get it? :chainsaw:). But a few actually climbed the ropes (ha, I'm on a roll today!) and went on to form their own companies. You definitely need a tough skin to put up with the junk that SOME guys will dish out. My boss actually FIRED another ground guy over sexist remarks, from a guy who actually could not keep up with ME. But do not count on that. Be strong, keep your head up, do your job, show a willingness to work and learn and improve, be part of the team by dressing like one of them and pitching in, learn the basics and learn about SAFETY... and be prepared for hard work. But be prepared for a real satisfying feeling of an honest day's labor in the fresh air.

Sorry for sprawling out like the canopy of an ancient oak... but this was a very pertinent thread to me. Thanks for reading!

~GroundSquirrel
An attitude like this will get you a job. Fine words!
 
While your playing with your rope i'll be on the next job.... Where exactly are you roping to? Are you going to rope them onto the roof when you could easily cut and swing? Are you going to have a guy running the rope and a guy on the roof when they could be chipping? Who's gonna drag that big limb to the chipper and feed it thru when it hits the ground?

Some of you guys must work at a snails pace from the sound of things.
An attitude like this will also get you a job, mostly just carrying furniture though.
 
Not sure you'd want to work for someone like Shelby. The fact that you're on here asking questions shows a lot. I'm constantly going through meatheads cause their brains are to small. If you were in my area Id hire you in a second. You wouldn't catch any flack from my guys either. And I'm not hitting on you, I'm married with kids. I don't care how strong someone is. That's what dollies, winches, loaders and port a wraps are for. I care about attitude and work ethic. Meatheads are everywhere, and they're the ones that get people hurt, break equipment and start personnel problems. I'm sure Shelby will be done climbing in a few years from a blown out shoulder and knees from trying to grab branches and swing them over. I'd like to see his repair bills on roofs and fences too. I'd much rather have a 100 lb woman that thinks and loves her job. Hell, I'd put her in charge of the gorillas in a couple weeks and so I could focus on climbing and making sure everyone goes home. Brains are that important.
 
An attitude like this will also get you a job, mostly just carrying furniture though.


Says the guy with a avatar pic pushing a big block off. My 105 lb wife would never even be able to rock it back and forth a bit let alone push that block off. What happens when the dead weight sits on your bar when you fininsh that cut? Is a 100 lb girl or guy gonna pull a 660 out with one hand as they pushs the block with another? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black..
 
Not sure you'd want to work for someone like Shelby. The fact that you're on here asking questions shows a lot. I'm constantly going through meatheads cause their brains are to small. If you were in my area Id hire you in a second. You wouldn't catch any flack from my guys either. And I'm not hitting on you, I'm married with kids. I don't care how strong someone is. That's what dollies, winches, loaders and port a wraps are for. I care about attitude and work ethic. Meatheads are everywhere, and they're the ones that get people hurt, break equipment and start personnel problems. I'm sure Shelby will be done climbing in a few years from a blown out shoulder and knees from trying to grab branches and swing them over. I'd like to see his repair bills on roofs and fences too. I'd much rather have a 100 lb woman that thinks and loves her job. Hell, I'd put her in charge of the gorillas in a couple weeks and so I could focus on climbing and making sure everyone goes home. Brains are that important.


No one would have to worry about working for me as I have a great crew. That's the beauty of being the boss, I can hire who I want. I've been doing tree work professionally since 1999 and bought the business from my boss after years of working for him. We have the best name in the business and are the only tree service that is busy all the time. In the 15 years I have done it we have damaged one metal garden shed and it was from a bounce. All it did was make a small dent.

Just because I'm strong and like to take care of myself doesn't mean I'm stupid. How many of your bosses bought you guys new trucks because you were such a great worker? I don't mean a company truck, I mean a brand new keep for yourself truck. I got a new truck every 3 years and my last one before I bought the company was my 2013 ram 2500 diesel. $60000 truck because I bust my ass everyday and he rewarded me for it. I do the same with my guys. They work hard and they deserve good pay and benefits.

Riddle me this.... If women are such great tree cutters why don't they have the majority of tree jobs?

I would love to see some of the crews working that claim strength doesn't matter.

I could see a girl being a climber IF you never did big tree's. If you want to learn and start at the bottom to get in you need to be able to do the hard work. Kinda a catch 22 and that's the biggest point I was making.
 
Says the guy with a avatar pic pushing a big block off. My 105 lb wife would never even be able to rock it back and forth a bit let alone push that block off. What happens when the dead weight sits on your bar when you fininsh that cut? Is a 100 lb girl or guy gonna pull a 660 out with one hand as they pushs the block with another? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black..


A small wedge takes care of that problem but I forget you don't like using tools that slow down the job.
 
No one would have to worry about working for me as I have a great crew. That's the beauty of being the boss, I can hire who I want. I've been doing tree work professionally since 1999 and bought the business from my boss after years of working for him. We have the best name in the business and are the only tree service that is busy all the time. In the 15 years I have done it we have damaged one metal garden shed and it was from a bounce. All it did was make a small dent.

Just because I'm strong and like to take care of myself doesn't mean I'm stupid. How many of your bosses bought you guys new trucks because you were such a great worker? I don't mean a company truck, I mean a brand new keep for yourself truck. I got a new truck every 3 years and my last one before I bought the company was my 2013 ram 2500 diesel. $60000 truck because I bust my ass everyday and he rewarded me for it. I do the same with my guys. They work hard and they deserve good pay and benefits.

Riddle me this.... If women are such great tree cutters why don't they have the majority of tree jobs?

I would love to see some of the crews working that claim strength doesn't matter.

I could see a girl being a climber IF you never did big tree's. If you want to learn and start at the bottom to get in you need to be able to do the hard work. Kinda a catch 22 and that's the biggest point I was making.


A new truck every 3 years? You are awesome.
 
A small wedge takes care of that problem but I forget you don't like using tools that slow down the job.

Yes, a small wedge can solve the bar pinch problem but a strong cutter pulls the wood with one hand cutting with the other and eliminating the wedge.. So we determined a lightweight can get a saw out with a wedge but still have to push that big block off. I don't see a rope in your pic. Would it of been faster if you had a 100 lb lightweight in the bucket and had to tie a rope to have a groundie pull it for them? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?
 
Yes, a small wedge can solve the bar pinch problem but a strong cutter pulls the wood with one hand cutting with the other and eliminating the wedge.. So we determined a lightweight can get a saw out with a wedge but still have to push that big block off. I don't see a rope in your pic. Would it of been faster if you had a 100 lb lightweight in the bucket and had to tie a rope to have a groundie pull it for them? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?

Advocating unsafe saw handling isn't going to win you many friends. Even though that's how I'd do it.

The 101 forum is for helping new people. Not telling them find a new career cuz they won't be hired due to their sex and physical stature. Commercial tree care is for chest thumping and biggest **** contests.

Theres tons of oppurtunities out there for a woman or a midget. From running log trucks and cranes to PHC to stump grinding to climbing. Why do you choose to focus on one of maybe 5 activities that being a 6 foot tall 200 pounder is an advantage?
 
I never said I was the best and I don't claim to be. I said we have the best name. There is a big difference.

Chill out man. Were here to help each other and bounce ideas off each other. It's not a contest. I'm a big dude too. 6'2" 220 lbs. built like a brick shithouse. I can easily push those logs off with one hand. Every once in a while when I don't really have much of a choice, I will. But it is kinda dumb. That's how you get cut, dragged down by the saw catching in the wood, and caught up in ropes. Not to mention how hard it is on your body. I do my best to keep myself without permanent injury, and I already have back problems from stuff like that. I prefer to cut logs a lot bigger with a big open face cut and have my ground guys pull it with a rope I it's not leaning the right way. Takes 30 sec to pull a rope back up and reset. And I always have a rope with a descender or a double rope with a Blake's hitch ready to get me down if I get hurt. You gonna give me crap for that too? It's a dangerous game we play, and I like to keep the odds in my favor. If you don't act like a meathead you won't get treated like one. Id like to think you're a good guy since you have a dedicated crew, but so far you're kind of a douche.
 
Yes, a small wedge can solve the bar pinch problem but a strong cutter pulls the wood with one hand cutting with the other and eliminating the wedge.. So we determined a lightweight can get a saw out with a wedge but still have to push that big block off. I don't see a rope in your pic. Would it of been faster if you had a 100 lb lightweight in the bucket and had to tie a rope to have a groundie pull it for them? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?

I try to keep two hands on the saw. Won't say I haven't done it your way before but as time goes on, I prefer the safer method. You keep going Godzilla, stay safe.
 
Advocating unsafe saw handling isn't going to win you many friends. Even though that's how I'd do it.

The 101 forum is for helping new people. Not telling them find a new career cuz they won't be hired due to their sex and physical stature. Commercial tree care is for chest thumping and biggest **** contests.

Theres tons of oppurtunities out there for a woman or a midget. From running log trucks and cranes to PHC to stump grinding to climbing. Why do you choose to focus on one of maybe 5 activities that being a 6 foot tall 200 pounder is an advantage?


There's a woman that grinds stumps around here that comes out in short cutoff jeans, tank top and boots. I hear she's pretty good lookin too. Never used her, but apparently she's pretty good with that machine and the guys enjoy the show.
 
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