Secondary air modifications complete, hoping to smoke a bit less now

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Well, my original thread and postings got deleted in the war against spam yesterday, so I'll repost the thread again with some updated information. Here's the original post as best as I could cobble it from memory. :)

I posted this thread at ********** and decided to repost it over here as well, I think there's more DIYers here on arboristsite that will appreciate the information. My inspiration for this project came from the following threads with good information in them (there are more, but these are the ones I quickly grabbed):

Bullard Secondary Air Retrofit Project Complete | ********** Forums Home

Modifying a central wood furnace for secondary burn | ********** Forums Home

http://www.arboristsite.com/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/86675.htm

http://www.arboristsite.com/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/37370-2.htm


I've got a 1984 NightWatch made by Minnesota Stove Works (Company is defunct now, was around over 120 years prior to '84), and it's an old smoke dragon style insert. The only saving grace it had was a smoke shelf over the flue where some nice secondary burn would occur occasionally. I think where the primary air came in, it traveled along the channels for the firebrick to the back and that's why I would see it now and then back there prior to the mod.

I started this about 2 weeks ago where I setup a ladder style air supply and originally had the secondary air coming through the primary draft opening. This was just to see how it did as a proof of concept, and it worked quite well except I didn't have good control over the burn overall. Starting from cold was a bit of a fight, and once it was going it was difficult to throttle back. Basically you had to somewhat babysit it and I'm going to assume it was because of how much the primary draft was affected by my modification. If you'd like to see some pictures of how the secondary air worked in my proof of concept setup, there are some pictures in this thread: Project, old non-epa stove slammer install. Looking for advice | ********** Forums Home

To finalize it, I drilled a 7/8" hole just above and to the side of the primary controls, and used 2 x 7/8" SAE washers to get the required thickness between the pipe fittings. The outside washer and elbow are sealed with furnace cement, and from there it goes into a 45 degree street elbow in the firebox.

During this process I realized the left and right side are not symmetrical and it makes sense to me now, many of these units were shipped with non-glass front doors and the air controls were on the doors in that case. You can see where one firebrick is removed from each side, and they just knocked a hole in there and welded a section of flat steel to hold the draft and air plate on. Heck, the air plates themselves are even very different from right to left side, makes me wonder if it was just spare parts to put it together or if they were going for a swirl effect or something.

Anyway, the rest of the pipe is 1/2" black pipe and the air holes are 3/32" and 5/32" depending on where they're at. I figure if I've got too many, I can just fill them with a little weld in there but I doubt I've got too few. Spacing of holes are 1" on center, and each section of ladder is 18.5" long, so there's about 54 holes total. I also drilled a few on the back side of the pipe that is facing upwards on the back 2 pipes, these are aimed at the existing smoke shelf to provide some direct air in that area.

Once the cement sets up I'll fire this beast up tomorrow and see how it does! I'm kind of anxious to see how it performs with a proper air flow and I'm hoping I'll be able to regulate the burn a little better now.

The second week of February I'll be installing a full chimney liner for this as well, currently it's a slammer install and I know that needs to be resolved ASAP. Hoping that I'll be able to get a little more heat from it after that is completed. Eventually this thing will be replaced with a Blaze King Princess Insert, most likely before the next winter season. We'll see how it does with it's new pipes before making a decision. :)
 
Okay, I've got some pictures to post up here of what it's looking like now. There will be quite a few pictures as some of them were in a second post that got wiped with the original thread and I don't feel like breaking them all up.

This thing can cook me out of the house way to easily with temps above 30 degrees, and part of that is that I needed to get the temps up nice and high to finalize the curing of the cement and such. It's at 500 now and got itself up to 600 or so at one point (top temp), so I decided to get some more pictures of the secondaries in action as well as the smoke output from my chimney.

Very happy with the results so far! The secondaries can sustain themselves easy enough if I leave the primary air supply open 1/2 turn from closed, if I close it much more then that I'm pretty sure the fire would smother eventually.

Well that's a bum deal, looks like I only have so much space to post up pictures in here, 10 is the limit! If I delete some from the manager my guess is that it will remove them from my original post, so for now I'll just upload these 5 and leave it at that. Once I figure out what I'm doing wrong I'll go back and post up the rest.
 
You mean to tell me you did all that work and plan to upgrade next year?

Pretty nice work, but is furnace cement really rated to the temps the box would see? With a name like furnace cement I would guess so, but I would tend to think welds.

Nice work, rep inbound.

Oh and I think the pic limit is due to your low post count.
 
Well, yeah I might wait on the upgrade now that I've seen it's performance. I actually didn't expect too much from it and have been pleasantly surprised the last 24 hours. And in a few weeks I'll be dropping a new liner down there, so that again may change my impression of this stove.

The furnace cement was just to seal up the outside connection so it was completely airtight and to hold the pipe in the proper position. Says it's working temp is 2000F and that it can be used to seal cracks and leaks inside of a firebox, should be fine where its at. There's actually some in use on the ladder itself on 2 of the close nipple connections. (Didn't want to use unions so I torqued it down on one side and then unscrewed into the other, using cement to seal and hold the nipple in place)

And now I guess I'll have to start the post fest if I want to share any other pictures on here, thanks for the heads up on that.
 

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