bcorradi
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ya the 7900 isn't that great really....only a few hobbyists own it...never really dabbles in the commercial environment. If you like it that is great...but it isn't anything special.
The age we live in... depressed.
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Hahaha now you're just trying to get me going.:redface:
rms61moparman
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The manufacturers had nothing to do with the specs back then.
At that time we had the "Mobilgas Economy Run"!
Across the entire nation using the exact same gasoline and each vehicle had a driver provided by the manufacturer and a "spotter" supplied and trained by Mobilgas to spot any cheating.
Each manufacturer also supplied a mechanic to travel with their fleet to maintain the vehicles along the way.
The vehicles were taken directly off of the showroom floor by secret buyers.
The drivers and spotters were selected at random by lottery each morning so relationships couldn't be reliably formed between the two.
I think I'll take that over what we have now.
Bet that comes as a surprise!
Mike
bcorradi
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if u like them thats great, but your in the minority. like i say they aren't anything special. they are just and underengineered saw with little marketing. if u like them thats great at least they sold one to someone that is happy
Not at all it's a lie! Rush said so. + we both know that carbs need to be reset when the weather changes, how many average people tuner their carbs every morning? Really this is pointless old doge are, well old.
if u like them thats great, but your in the minority. like i say they aren't anything special. they are just and underengineered saw with little marketing. if u like them thats great at least they sold one to someone that is happy
I know at least three people that like them:msp_tongue:
bcorradi
Arboristsite.com Sponsor
u should be a dealer you'd have a high marketshare of all dolmars sold
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
Well, that's quite a rant, and I agree with some of it. You've got some stuff right but you're still stuck with this misty-eyed view of technology. There is more than one thing going on, and the world is not black and white and all things are either 100% good or 100% bad. You can't point at a part of the system and say "that's it, that's the evil part and everything would be OK if we got rid of that". It's the whole thing. The EPA is like that - it's done some good things and some stupid things. It's full of people with faults and eventually like most organizations the main point becomes self perpetuation. Yes, the corporations and manufacturers, in collusion with governments, are trying to rip you off and get you to buy stuff you don't need. That is how our entire system works, it's the purpose of advertising. It's the purpose of this site, which is essentially an infomercial for its sponsors. I laugh every time I read about some guy with 2 acres and a garage full of expensive pro saws trashing a homeowner Poulan. But is this site entirely bad? No.
Everything in our environment and our society is based on growth driven by fossil fuel. The entire industrial system is about turning cheap, abundant fossil fuel energy into stuff, most of which uses fossil fuel energy. Our oil peaked in the 1970's, as did our per-capita income, and since then we ran up debt. Now everyone is so immune to the problems of debt and we take on ever more debt to pay off what we borrowed yesterday. The people who make saws need you to buy more because they're in debt and have to keep the thing going so they can keep borrowing. Everyone has a vested interest in you buying stuff. The advertisers try to get you to spend (borrow) on things you don't need., The government helps. The problem is that the actual cost of fossil fuel is skyrocketing because we've used the easy to get high quality stuff and have to compete with ever growing demand for what's left. But without an infinite supply of cheap energy growth cannot continue, so those debts can never be repaid and the machine will grind to a stop. And it is. In the end it won't matter what kind of technology your saw uses to extract the stored solar energy from gasoline. Instead, people will use the real time energy flows from the sun via muscles and hand tools.
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I like carbs, I was rebuilding and modifying them before I was driving. I understand how they work quite well. I also like and understand fuel injection, and I'm not afraid to work on it. I take things apart all the time that were not intended to be repaired by their manufacturers, regardless of the level of technology used.
Electronics can be repaired. I cut open a defective air flow sensor from my '86 Escort GT, fixed the defect and ran it for years. I'm typing this on a laptop I built from the carcasses of about 6 others, it's been apart to the last screw. Last night I tore down an iPhone 4 and reassembled it.
But I'm just as comfortable with old tech, and my real passion is hand tools. We spent 11 years restoring an old stone farm house, and I made all the trim with hand molding planes. I made mortar out of lime and sand, glazed windows by had, etc. I find that the simplicity of old tools and techniques is deceptive - the tool is simpler but you must know much more to use it, and often to maintain it.
It's all a matter of understanding the technology being used, what it can do and what it can't. A fuel system that adjusts itself is a great idea for the vast majority of users. Just read the posts here - how many can really tune properly? And a properly tuned saw without strato is one that is definitely dumping raw fuel out the exhaust most of the time. The engineer and the environmentalist in me both think that's lame. The strato system is elegant and simple, relying mostly on the shapes of parts and a simple butterfly valve. The fuel control is also fairly simple - it needs power, an rpm sensor and a solenoid to modify the mixture. Now and then it leans out the mixture for a moment and watches what the rpms do, and adjusts the mixture based on that. Between those two the basic problems of 2-troke are improved a lot. Sure, the manufacturers hate it because it cut into their profits - they actually had to do some product development, boo hoo. And there will still be lots of good old fashioned saws out there for nuts like us who like to use and work on them.
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Mpbowyer
ArboristSite Operative
I don't know about the top handle saws, but some of the reduced emissions Stihls only reduce emissions by not putting fresh fuel into the exhaust as much as the old ones did. That is the main way they are more fuel efficient also. It's not some new-fangled electronic design, its just a smarter intake system for a 2-stroke engine. Ever smell an MS362? me neither, and I own one.
Believe me I'm not a tree hugger. I design coal-fired power plants 9-5, then cut down trees on the side.
If you really want to take care of quick trimming jobs around the house, look at a Silky Sugoy. I have one and it cuts about as fast as my Stihl 010.
Arbonaut
Go Climb It
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Well which way is it ?
And,
How do you explain:
- Religon
- Apple Pie
- Philosophy
- The Atlanta Braves
- Dvorak
- Bicycles
- Family
- Hogging Catfish
- 1986 Ford Escort GT ?
McCulloch1-52
ArboristSite Guru
As long as they don't banned two stroke engines I will be happy. :chainsawguy:
Ford used to flood the SoCal dealerships with special cars...I'm sure the other manufacturers did too.
I believe 1968 was the last run. The Rambler Rogue was the big winner at 24.09 miles per hour.
The overall average was 19.17 mpg at an average speed of 55.03 mph.
SawTroll
Information Collector
Originally Posted by WoodHeatWarrior
"Well, that's quite a rant, and I agree with some of it....
There is more than one thing going on, and the world is not black and white and all things are either 100% good or 100% bad.
Everything in our environment and our society is based on growth driven by fossil fuel."
Right, the basic problem is that fossil fuel is wasted on making electric power and heating buildings. If that wasn't the case, most of the problem would go away, and the reserves would last a lot longer!
That is what the EPA should consern themselves with, instead of herassing the industry and people by making complicated rules regarding products that is of little or no consequense to the situation.
"Well, that's quite a rant, and I agree with some of it....
There is more than one thing going on, and the world is not black and white and all things are either 100% good or 100% bad.
Everything in our environment and our society is based on growth driven by fossil fuel."
Right, the basic problem is that fossil fuel is wasted on making electric power and heating buildings. If that wasn't the case, most of the problem would go away, and the reserves would last a lot longer!
That is what the EPA should consern themselves with, instead of herassing the industry and people by making complicated rules regarding products that is of little or no consequense to the situation.
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Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
The main fossil fuels used are not really interchangeable. Coal and natural gas are mostly used for electrical generation and heating while oil is used for transportation (and OPE of course). And in this country we use the military and the banking system for energy policy, not the EPA!
Also, it's good to harass industry, otherwise they get fat and lazy and spend the profits on bonuses for managers with nice hair instead of product development. Before strato what was the last major innovation they introduced - electronic ignition? No one forced them to make crappy cat strangled engines tuned too lean with limiter caps, that's just all Mr. Goodhair manager was willing to spend.
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I see it as either an upgrade, or a safety feature.....how do you like the fact that you can stop the chain with the hit of a lever..... instead of having to wait for it to stop, and hope it doesnt idle-roll??? if i throw a chain on a vintage saw with no hand guard on the handle, or a inertia activated chainbrake....i will have Stihl knuckles..........But seriously, i had a customers saw throw a brand spanking new chain, it was a dolmar 6400 and i put on a 72LGX072G chain on.....started it, let it high idle, hit the throttle, and ZINNGGGG, off flew the chain, the chain catcher got MANGLED, and it sent a few links NEARLY through the hand protector........all stopped by the chainbrake i hit!.....I was wearing chaps, but...thats just 1 (ONE) of the MANY upgrades ive seen in the past years...and i like them, ill keep my safety features!
......But seriously, i had a customers saw throw a brand spanking new chain, it was a dolmar 6400 and i put on a 72LGX072G chain on.....started it, let it high idle, hit the throttle, and ZINNGGGG, off flew the chain, the chain catcher got MANGLED, and it sent a few links NEARLY through the hand protector........all stopped by the chainbrake i hit!.....I was wearing chaps, but...thats just 1 (ONE) of the MANY upgrades ive seen in the past years...and i like them, ill keep my safety features!
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rms61moparman
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WOW!!!
Let's just resort to personal attacks when we diasgree with what someone says!!!
Was that trip really necessary?:msp_sneaky:
Mike
WOW!!!
Let's just resort to personal attacks when we diasgree with what someone says!!!
Was that trip really necessary?:msp_sneaky:
Mike
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No, it wasn't.
My 7-10a that lives in my car got to play "hero of the day" today to clear a blowdown across the local highway.
Arbonaut
Go Climb It
u should be a dealer you'd have a high marketshare of all dolmars sold
Yeah, about them.
How was it better for the environment to ship a boatload of Dolmars back to Germany than to sell them in the U.S because they didn't meet emissions?
