Because of these two threads I am going to seriously look at a Jotul. A company that built smoked dragons for longer then any of us have been alive and still meet EPA standards with a tweak or two must be a good stove.Baggage man. You are carrying way too much baggage in that noggin of yours. Plus you are a bit mean, and you don't have to be. And you are wrong.
I have two non EPA fireboxes in the shop out back. A Riteway Model 37, and a double 55 barrel Sotz wood stove kit. Sotz sold a catalytic device too, which I have. I don't use either stove though as I don't heat the shop.
My like of my modern EPA Jotul F600CB does not stem from my ideology and arrogance. I like how it looks and how it heats. Low emissions and low wood use are just an added benefit.
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I feel the same way, I do not want a cat stove, or any stove that needs regular maintenance and stuff replaced. That's mostly why I bought a Jotul.I can not see buying a cat stove were standard maintenance will cost me more then the purchase price of both my curnet stoves put together. In the past 25 five years burning my Earth stove, I have replaced the door gasket onece and replaced a few fie brick. I like low maintenance in a stove. Jotuls were off my list because I had preconceived ideas about cast iron being high maintenance.
I think maintainability is important too - I want an efficient stove but I'm not expecting good things from the economy in the coming years. I don't want to have to replace parts, nor to count on the supply of those parts. So for me a cat stove makes no sense - I'm not willing to accept the added complexity and requirement to buy new cats for the efficiency increase over a secondary combustion stove. When we bought our small stove I looked at various units, including a VC stove that had very complex ceramic firebox parts. The Hampton we ended up with has simple liner shapes that I have a reasonable chance of replicating myself if needed. It also works exceedingly well.I feel the same way, I do not want a cat stove, or any stove that needs regular maintenance and stuff replaced. That's mostly why I bought a Jotul.
I think I mentioned earlier I have two cast iron stoves in my shop used daily that are 24 years old and still working fine...
Don't know if this was posted before http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...-chilling-consequences-for-many-rural-people/
The last sentence says it all, with all the GW why worry about a handfull of wood stove's?
on the nailhead,,,,,,,AGAIN.. repeatability,,reveals someone,no????Well, no... actually you're the one that's wrong. I never said that... and I challenge you to show me where I said, "there have been NO good wood stoves since emission limits went into effect over 25 years ago."
My bet is we would've seen that whether-or-not there were new emissions regulations... likely sooner without them.
We've already seen that. Your's certainly ain't any sort of intellectual revelation... but I'm bettin' it's driven by your ideology and arrogance.
See... in your selfish, self-important mind... because you don't own a non-EPA firebox, and don't want one... no one else should have the choice, of any sort.
You're also a text book hypocrite, don't ya' know?? You defend your ideology on the "save-the-planet" theme... but man... only if it fits your personal view of it.
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Well put flyboy, when you troll with this many fish in the barrel you are bound to get many bites.Man I love this thread and others like it! Should be titled "As The Smoke Turns"! There is more drama here than any tv soap could hope for! We have good guys, bad guys, neutral guys, pot stirrers, we got it all! And best part, who these good/bad/neutral/stirrer guys are, is all in the eye of the reader! Who could ask for more!!
Of course if it was changed to that, some would complain because there stove doesn't make any smoke! lol
Ol' Steve knew what he was doing when he started this thread! He must be a moderatroll! lol JK Steve, don't go bannin' me now!
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the oldest heating method known to mankind and mainstay of rural homes and many of our nation’s poorest residents."
Well, no... actually you're the one that's wrong. I never said that... and I challenge you to show me where I said, "there have been NO good wood stoves since emission limits went into effect over 25 years ago."
My bet is we would've seen that whether-or-not there were new emissions regulations... likely sooner without them.
We've already seen that. Your's certainly ain't any sort of intellectual revelation... but I'm bettin' it's driven by your ideology and arrogance.
See... in your selfish, self-important mind... because you don't own a non-EPA firebox, and don't want one... no one else should have the choice, of any sort.
You're also a text book hypocrite, don't ya' know?? You defend your ideology on the "save-the-planet" theme... but man... only if it fits your personal view of it.
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The 'proposed' new regs are for 2019 and are not set in stone yet.
Time to stock up on them old dirty stoves then sell them later to ones that want heat.
So at some point in time you will not be able to sell used pre EPA stoves?According to current wording and how it would be interpenetrated... you could be fined or possibly even jailed for doing that.
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Time to stock up on them old dirty stoves then sell them later to ones that want heat.
So at some point in time you will not be able to sell used pre EPA stoves?
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