willsaw4beer
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Beech is arguably the best firewood around. If you stacked it and it's just shy of a cord the guy gave you a pretty sweet price for delivered beech. For that price it shouldn't be seasoned...
Think I got ripped off....what can I do about it?
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Beech is arguably the best firewood around. If you stacked it and it's just shy of a cord the guy gave you a pretty sweet price for delivered beech. For that price it shouldn't be seasoned...
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If that is a cord, my customers are getting one heck of a deal on my cords.
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I wouldn't complain too much. I pay $300 cash for 9 face cord of logs here.
I seen a sign last week that was $135.25 for a face cord delivered local. Wish I could get beech for $135 a full cord or even 2/3's of a full cord.
I seen a sign last week that was $135.25 for a face cord delivered local. Wish I could get beech for $135 a full cord or even 2/3's of a full cord.
sthomas77
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No, I am not complaining about being shorted 5 cuft. When I posted originally, it looked like it was short in pile form. I was mostly annoyed with the fact that he told me it was seasoned 6 months, and the stuff on the top of the truck seemed to be so. Yet, the bottom of the stack was fresh cut wood. The pile being short was just the kicker in the deal.
fishercat
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i have a new policy this year.
not that i had a problem before but it is mostly to protect the buyer,not me.
in my ad it states: you must be home with cash to inspect wood before it is dumped.once it is off the truck,it is yours.so if you're picky,hard to please or otherwise a general PITA,inspect the wood before it is unloaded.
not that i had a problem before but it is mostly to protect the buyer,not me.
in my ad it states: you must be home with cash to inspect wood before it is dumped.once it is off the truck,it is yours.so if you're picky,hard to please or otherwise a general PITA,inspect the wood before it is unloaded.
sesmith
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Absolutely not! We have a real serious issue here in NY with some invasive insects like emerald ash borer. If I lose all my ash due to some bonehead transporting infected firewood cause he believes he above the law, I'm gonna be real pissed. I'm probably going to lose it within the next 10 years, but there's no reason to speed the spread. Sorry to be so blunt, but we have a real disaster just waiting to happen. There is a slim chance that the spread of some of these pests can be stopped, but not when people ignore the laws and move firewood anyway.
As far as the firewood pics are concerned...yea, it's green beech. Beech burns great, but not green. If you are buying firewood, buy it a year in advance and season it yourself. It's unusual to actually find "seasoned" wood for sale here. Some guys say they cut it a year ago, but most don't split it until it's for sale...=green.
"2 stacks totalling about 9x4x18" and one 9x16"x18" So the volume is (9*4*1.5)+(9*4*1.5)+(9*1.3*1.5)=125.6cu ft. Divide that by 128 cu ft /cord and you get 0.98 cords. You didn't get ripped off on volume.
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milkie62
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seasoned wood
I have a book at home from Storey Publishing titled cutting your own firewood.I think in the first chapter it says that split firewood will be 90% seasoned after 90 days.I assume it must be covered for those numbers.Unfortunately people assume that everyone who sells firewood is on the up and up.They usually do not ask questions until it is dumped and paid for and the seller is long gone.My neighbor bought a supposed cord of wood.He was about 1/4 cord shy.Luckily the seller was just down the road.My neighbor asked me what to do.I told him to call the guy and tell him he got shorted.The guy did bring some more.But if he shorted everyone a few wheelbarrow loads,it would not be long before he would have an "extra" cord to sell.My trailer when level stacked comes to 140 cf.I throw a couple of extra armloads on top so I know nobody can complain about my "cord" of wood when I sell it.
I have a book at home from Storey Publishing titled cutting your own firewood.I think in the first chapter it says that split firewood will be 90% seasoned after 90 days.I assume it must be covered for those numbers.Unfortunately people assume that everyone who sells firewood is on the up and up.They usually do not ask questions until it is dumped and paid for and the seller is long gone.My neighbor bought a supposed cord of wood.He was about 1/4 cord shy.Luckily the seller was just down the road.My neighbor asked me what to do.I told him to call the guy and tell him he got shorted.The guy did bring some more.But if he shorted everyone a few wheelbarrow loads,it would not be long before he would have an "extra" cord to sell.My trailer when level stacked comes to 140 cf.I throw a couple of extra armloads on top so I know nobody can complain about my "cord" of wood when I sell it.
Hickorynut
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If you want to push it stack in cord sizes and call him over....I guess maybe stack it as someone umloads it next time.....not being sarcastic...just a thought.
If you want to push it stack in cord sizes and call him over....I guess maybe stack it as someone umloads it next time.....not being sarcastic...just a thought.
so so true ,and btw that load of wood you received looks like my heaping 6.5 ft bed pickup load i got the other day from the amish guy for forty bucks except mine was well seasoned
You say your going to lose them anyway.....
sthomas77
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Yeah..the whole deal came about because I wasn't fully prepared for this winter. Being our first heating with wood, I underestimated how much we'd need and I wanted an 'extra' cord just in case we run out. I figured it would be easier to get some now than in Feb. At this point, im looking at it as several lessons learned, and since I now have a jump start on next year...im good.
As far as transporting wood, the laws enacted are for good reason, and being that I am a student at an environmental science and forestry school...I need to be aware of the threats these invasives make against our trees. Things like this are no trivial matter and if we aren't careful the ash tree will go the way of the chestnut.....
As far as transporting wood, the laws enacted are for good reason, and being that I am a student at an environmental science and forestry school...I need to be aware of the threats these invasives make against our trees. Things like this are no trivial matter and if we aren't careful the ash tree will go the way of the chestnut.....
sthomas77
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Oh, and by the way, we do have NYS DEC police that will stop you if they see a load of fire wood on the highway to inquire its origination and destination. You are supposed to carry a self-filled permit indicating the supply source. All that needs to happen tho, is a vigilant neighbor or something that happens to send a tip to the dec and they'll be over real quick.
sthomas77
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George, thats perfect! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Thats not a cord. When I deliver a cord to my customers I tightly stack the split wood and measure it infront of them to ensure they get 128 cubic feet of wood , when I un load it "fluffs up" into a huge pile, from the looks you might not even have a face cord IMO. Next time tell the supplier you want a true cord of tight stacked fir wood or dont bother to deliver.
willsaw4beer
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I guess at this point I don't understand why you're #####in. A cord of seasoned beech should be at least $175-250 delivered in my area and you live close enough I can't imagine it being that much cheaper (And you got what you paid for...)
It does suck that you don't have seasoned wood to burn but you really need to be more on top of things, point blank. Now that you've found this website, you have all the knowledge and advice you could possibly imagine to learn how to keep it from happening again. Whether take advantage of this amazing resource or not is up to you...
It does suck that you don't have seasoned wood to burn but you really need to be more on top of things, point blank. Now that you've found this website, you have all the knowledge and advice you could possibly imagine to learn how to keep it from happening again. Whether take advantage of this amazing resource or not is up to you...
sesmith
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Yea, I'm kind of resigned to the fact that I may. It'll be a shame if / when that happens.
From the NYDEC FAQ's page on emerald ash borer:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/45409.html
"Q: How does EAB spread?
EAB is not a particularly strong flier. Adults typically fly less than ½ mile from their emergence tree. Most long-distance movement of EAB has been directly traced to ash firewood or ash nursery stock. Other untreated ash wood, wood chips greater than one inch, and ash product movement (logs, lumber, pallets, etc) generally present lesser risks. Wood chips less than one inch or mulch are considered to pose little risk of movement. New York currently has a regulation restricting the movement of firewood to protect our forests from invasive pests."
So EAB was found this year about 50 miles or so from my woodlot. At 1/2 mile per year, it would take a long time to get to me. It would also give the foresters a lot of time to research and possibly come up with an effective plan for controlling this pest. However, just 1 person bringing infected wood to my area can bring it here this fall or next summer. So maybe you can understand why I feel so strongly about it. Ash accounts for about 8% of our trees here in NY. Some stands have 25% ash. That's a lot of trees and EAB pretty much kills them all.
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I wouldn't be taken aback by the volume, or the type of wood he delivered you. That Beech WILL BE ans excellent burn. Problem though, it is Green. dried Beech will show heavy crack on the edge of the rounds or spits, and te bark will peel off with a tug of your fingers.
Curlycherry1
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If you still need wood then PM me and I can give you my brother's number. He sells face cords and his wood is seasoned. He is just south of Phoenix.
I guess this brings up the age old question of "what is a face cord". It seems that in New York, if it is not quantified by measurements (from the link above), the sale does not meet the requirements.
If a seller could say that a "face cord" was 50 CU FT, and show it with measurements, it would make sense. But a "face cord" with 16 inch wood is something very different from a "face cord" with 24 inch wood.
Hal
If a seller could say that a "face cord" was 50 CU FT, and show it with measurements, it would make sense. But a "face cord" with 16 inch wood is something very different from a "face cord" with 24 inch wood.
Hal
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