PA is not as cold as it is in the midwest at the moment. Still, stoves are our only source of heat in an old house from 1835, with old single pane windows (and no storm windows). It's 25 now on the way up. Tomorrow is supposed to be 43 during the day - and 1 at night.I'll concede that...
Yet, at the same time, I have to wonder how many of these "satisfied" people actually used a well-made, quality pre-EPA stove for any meaningful length of time (no doubt some have).... I mean, after all, the EPA regulations are 25 years old‼
Exactly what are these people comparing their satisfaction against??
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So far I like this forum.
So far I like this forum.
Looking forward to that.opcorn:Just wait until I find a reason to disagree with ya'... see how much you like it then
My dad still has the old stove we installed in the 1970's. We know how to burn it and it works very well - for him it is the best choice as his flue is too short and won't have sufficient draw for a secondary combustion system to work properly. Mine works much better.
Please prove me wrong, I have a 3000 dollar POS (piece of steel ) bumming me out.Of course you do. You have your twin iowian on here. If you had the old stove for 30 yrs you must be old like spidey. which then begs the question. Do you have any gadgets? are bias ply tires better than radials? And most important, did you have to walk to school up hill both ways, in the snow, bare foot, 50 mph winds, 100 below, and when you got there, there was no stinking heat. Who needs it, the wind is what makes you feel cold.
Chris-PA
What EPA certified wood stove has a 4¼³ft. firebox?? I ain't sayin' it don't exist... but holy cow man, what does it cost?? I don't think the firebox in my DAKA furnace is even that big, and I only utilize 'bout 65% of it most of the time (it holds 25" wood, and I cut everything to 16"). No, I don't think you can assume a an EPA box will "otherwise behave like a traditional box of that size" at any time. The box I had before the Spectrum was approximately the same size, deeper, but narrower... it held 20" wood so I didn't utilize all of it either, but I used all of the Spectrum's capacity. The old box heated at least 3-times better.
Me too I think, stuck with the runt 6 inch chimney.Blaze King King model is 4.34 Cu ft.
http://www.blazeking.com/EN/wood-king.html
If I had to buy another stove and my house was big enough, that would be my choice. Seems to be popular with the guys in Alaska, based on posts on this and other forums.
The draft needs to be in an appropriate range. I find having a decent air velocity discharging from the manifold jets maintains a secondary burn better.Ummmmmm... you have that backwards.
EPA certified stoves are designed to work with minimal draft and short chimneys. During EPA certified testing the top of the chimney is only 15 feet above the floor the stove is sitting on (that would be like a 12-13 ft chimney). Add to that the fact that the lab is warm and draft becomes exceedingly minimal. A "taller" chimney and higher draft actually reduces performance in a stove designed to pass EPA certification. Older, non-EPA stoves that feed all air under the fire benefit from higher draft because it keeps the fire from smoldering... in an EPA stove high draft will can cause rapid/short secondary burn, once secondary stops the air coming in the top of an EPA stove may reverse direction and exit the stove before it ever feeds the remaining coals.
(By-the-way, smoke-bomb tests proved that this was part of my issues, I could minimize it, but not eliminate it, by closing the flue damper.)
Perhaps you should read this...
http://www.gulland.ca/florida_bungalow_syndrome.htm
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Blaze King King model is 4.34 Cu ft.
Please prove me wrong, I have a 3000 dollar POS (piece of steel ) bumming me out.
I love gadgets but I love things that are straight forward and work well much better
Tomorrow we are looking at -50 below wind chills, wood burner is only heat I have.
...I have a 3000 dollar POS...
I guess I just assumed it was understood we were talking about "secondary burn" type stoves... not catalytic stoves (which I have no experience with).
I thought this thread was about how white oak burns.
I started a new tread so you guys can argue I am very interested. I need a new stove and , a catalytic is probably not the best choice for me.Then say so and not EPA. Sounds to me that the secondary burn stoves as a rule are kind of touchy. I'm glad I didn't go that route.
I'm happy with my catalytic stove.
I thought this thread was about how white oak burns.
...it's 10 below and I'm tossing in a couple sticks of cottonwood every few hours. The light stuff doesn't coal hardly at all in my stove, and I can keep a high fire going all day.
I've been rambling too long - house is full of smoke - burnt my dang pork chop!
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