Welcome to ArboristSite.com! Log in or Sign up to interact with the ArboristSite community.

ArboristSite.com Sponsors
 
 


  1. Please see this post Click Here Please ask questions if you have them!! I hope this is going to be great for us all.
    Dismiss Notice

What makes someone a logger ?

Discussion in 'Forestry and Logging Forum' started by Trx250r180, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. bnmc98

    bnmc98 ArboristSite Guru

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    516
    Likes Received:
    727
    Location:
    Bozeman, MT
    I think its really two fold.
    You have people who work in the logging industry, referred to as "loggers" by outsiders.
    Then within that scope, those that are referred to as loggers are usually the ones who know the whole ball of wax. They know how to harvest and sell, run the equipment and do the books, understand the laws and make up the contracts. Deal with mills, and organize the different crews. Sometimes, they are the ones doing all the work, even if its solo. But, they still know how to do it all. Basically what Bitzer said.

    To my friends and acquaintances, and people I meet, I am a "Logger". To anyone in the industry I'm a contracted Faller and Skidder Operator.
     
  2. Gypo Logger

    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2001
    Messages:
    16,175
    Likes Received:
    12,101
    Location:
    Yukon Territory
    image.jpeg Anyone who has made at least one cut with a saw and has a p/u truck is a logger. Lol
     
  3. Gypo Logger

    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2001
    Messages:
    16,175
    Likes Received:
    12,101
    Location:
    Yukon Territory
    I think a logger is someone who has made it thru thick and thin and bust or boom. Someone who is not afraid to be broke, while living the lifestyle they choose, however mediocre.
    It's about being your own man, knowing the markets, and selling to the horses mouth and not to a middle man.
    Log buyers and sawmills are always looking for stupid loggers, which are a dime a dozen.
    If you are any damn good, you are working for yourself as oppossed to being just another insignifacant wanabe woodtick. Lol.
    Another earmark of being a died in the wool Timber Tramp, is being able to make home brew and sharing it with your friends, which are also a dime a dozen. Lol.
    Being a logger is also about being bushed.
    Cheers!
    John, the Woodtick.
     
  4. madhatte

    madhatte It's The Water Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    6,328
    Likes Received:
    2,760
    Location:
    Puget Sound
    This has become a very good thread. Thanks to everybody who stayed on topic instead of starting fights.
     
  5. ValleyFirewood

    ValleyFirewood Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2013
    Messages:
    6,843
    Likes Received:
    6,049
    Location:
    Palmer, AK

    Depending who I'm talking to, I either say I'm a logger or I run heavy equipment.
    Told a Dr once I was a logger...

    I spent the next 45 mins trying to get everyone to understand that no, it wasn't like the 1830s... they were convinced I was out there riding logs downriver and the whole works!:omg:

    Most of hours are spent running firewood processor and skid steer, the rest mainly on a 648 grapple skidder. Have quite a few hrs on excavator too, a little running delimber and dozer as well. Haven't run the buncher yet.
     
  6. Trx250r180

    Trx250r180 Saw polisher

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2010
    Messages:
    7,979
    Likes Received:
    12,225
    Location:
    us
    I started this thread after thinking how my step dad and his dad were ,i consider them loggers ,his dad was one of the types in the old crosscut saw pictures ,falling by hand literally,and the railroad hauled the logs to town.
     
  7. svk

    svk Firewood and Saw Collector

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    15,245
    Likes Received:
    31,330
    Location:
    Northern MN
    A logger is someone who is out in the woods and is immediately responsible for the falling of trees, regardless of if he/she is operating a chainsaw, axe, handsaw, or joystick.

    As @Gypo Logger referenced in another thread, people who work in the logging industry but aren't actually falling trees are not loggers.
     
  8. madhatte

    madhatte It's The Water Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    6,328
    Likes Received:
    2,760
    Location:
    Puget Sound
    I reckon every rigging crew on the entire west coast would disagree with that assessment... but then, I'm just a lowly forester myself.
     
  9. svk

    svk Firewood and Saw Collector

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    15,245
    Likes Received:
    31,330
    Location:
    Northern MN
    Ok, you've got a point. I guess I don't know what the official titles are of guys in your neck of the woods for various positions.

    Let's compare it to "professional" hunting.

    The hunter makes the sneak and pulls the trigger. Then the processing team comes in and guts, skins, processes the animal, and packs out the meat. The hunter moves on to his next quarry.

    Can you call those other guys hunters? You could but they aren't in this case. Do those other guys possess the knowledge to be a hunter? Probably but again that's not what their job duty is in a given day.

    Here's a different example of something more close to home for me since mining is big up here.

    But nobody calls themself a miner. You are a supervisor, production truck driver, millright, and so on.
     
    SeMoTony likes this.
  10. Skeans

    Skeans Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2013
    Messages:
    1,334
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Location:
    Rainier, Or
    The cutters I know get pissed if you call them loggers same with the fallers, they'll tell you a logger is the yarding and loading ends of the job.

    Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
     
    Westboastfaller, SeMoTony and svk like this.
  11. svk

    svk Firewood and Saw Collector

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    15,245
    Likes Received:
    31,330
    Location:
    Northern MN
    Good point, I was just thinking about that.

    The guys I know who do road construction are "equipment operators".

    Janitors prefer to be called custodians.
     
    rocketnorton likes this.
  12. rwoods

    rwoods Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2010
    Messages:
    4,668
    Likes Received:
    3,343
    Location:
    Tennessee
    You can just call me Ron.

    Ron
     
  13. madhatte

    madhatte It's The Water Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    6,328
    Likes Received:
    2,760
    Location:
    Puget Sound
    You can call me... Al?

    [​IMG]
     
    Westboastfaller and olyman like this.
  14. InfiniteJest

    InfiniteJest New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Work
  15. Gypo Logger

    Gypo Logger Timber Baron

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2001
    Messages:
    16,175
    Likes Received:
    12,101
    Location:
    Yukon Territory
    image.jpeg
    I totaly agree and I'm on your side.
    In addition, a logger is a selfefacing cull, just ask me, Dennis Cahoon, Tommy Fales Jr., or Art Martin.
    It's also important to not take yourself too seriously.
    Live simple, live cheap, live free. We aren't getting any younger. Stay young, stay strong.
    I just wanted to add Madhatte, that it's usually Bob that starts all the fights, but I really miss the times when Slowpe was the cause of all the bickering and decention on this otherwise good forum. Slowpe brought alot of hits here, so after having said that and moving forward, I hope she returns.
     
  16. scheffa

    scheffa ArboristSite Operative

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    355
    Location:
    melbourne aus
    If only they would bring back more hand falling, here in Aus almost everything is cut by machine. We have one local bloke here in the country who falls a bit by hand, only the trees that are too big for the machines. He won't put anyone on to cut by hand due to the insurance costs
     
    Westboastfaller likes this.
  17. jd548esco72

    jd548esco72 ArboristSite Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2009
    Messages:
    854
    Likes Received:
    422
    Location:
    south
  18. bitzer

    bitzer Bullshit Timber Expert

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    3,565
    Likes Received:
    3,445
    Location:
    Hardwood Country
    From the outside looking in anyone in the industry could be called a logger. Hell even guys who make strictly firewood are called loggers by the lay person. The really dumb call tree service guys loggers. Those in the industry know better. If all I did was hand cut I would want to be called a timber cutter or timber faller. At that point like madhatte said the guys moving the logs are the loggers. Until you get to the truckers. Then they are log truck drivers. I've also heard my trucker called a logger many times by firewood customers which kind of bugs me because I'm the logger. The guy that cut/skid the logs. So in review if you have any part in the landing of the logs I would say you are a logger. Unless you are on the inside looking out in which case there are cutters, operators, etc who are all employed by the owner of the logging company. The owner is then the logger and those are the guys who work for him. Unless you're one of the guys who work for him. Now if you sub for a logger and bring your own skidder along then you can be a logger too. If you just bring a saw then you're just a cutter. Timber buyers, timber pimps, etc thats a whole nother ball game.
     
  19. jd548esco72

    jd548esco72 ArboristSite Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2009
    Messages:
    854
    Likes Received:
    422
    Location:
    south
    we were pulpwooders mostly, we got dragged into logging when the pulp market hit the skids --

    153069.jpg
     
    Westboastfaller and svk like this.
  20. Skeans

    Skeans Addicted to ArboristSite

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2013
    Messages:
    1,334
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Location:
    Rainier, Or
    Yep thanks to the tethering you guys designed by you guys down under, heck there's two of the tigercats playing yo yo yo and down the hill about a mile from my job right now. I'm waiting for the first machine to take a tumble down a hill to see what really happens.

    Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
     
    olyman, svk and northmanlogging like this.

Share This Page