Echo's Newest Saws!

[mountainlake]

The CS-600 weighs in at 13lb’s claimed by Echo. I have always liked their trimmers but wonder why they choose not to advertise horse power. Are they afraid of lower numbers than the competition?
13lb’s for 59.8 cc CS-600 vs. 13.6lb’s for Dolmars 79cc PS-7900

All I can say is Echo’s CS-600 better be one heck of a saw when its only 9.6 ounces less than the 7900 Dolmar.

Back to the numbers BS, when someone can explain why a Stihl MS260 is 3.2 hp and a MS290 (every one I've run has been a dog, maybe they all had 3/8 chain) is 3.8 hp I might believe published numbers a little. Stihl or husky doesn't have a saw that compares to the 7900 either, just Solo. Steve

 

[mountainlake]

send me the 600.
send me the 1201 too if you like. i have just the thing to test it (48" oak).

edit: if the 530 is in the same family as the cs-440 then they can keep it. i'd also bet dollars to donuts that the 600 will be a small bore 680 and the 680 merely a freshened 670. not an all new saw.

The Echo CS440 is a well built saw that runs like a top, no it won't cut with a 346xp but it's not bad with a muffler mod, the carb tuned RIGHT and a good chain, my CS440 (45cc) cuts real close to my stock Rancher 55 (53CC). Steve

 

[Cliff R]

I muffler modded one of our CS-510's a few weeks ago. Big wake up call for that saw. It's now just a tad faster than our Husky 55, but the 55's chain isn't nearly as good as the CS-510's. With a good chain they would be just about dead even.

We are still waiting for our CS-6700 to return. I sent it to an Echo technician, who is rebuilding the shortblock for us. We're going to use it as a project saw, testing it's performance in all areas, stock, muffler modded, then with some porting, etc.

We had a CS-440 in our line-up at one point, it was stolen from a friend of mine who had borrowed it for a couple of small jobs. It was OK, but not nearly as strong unmodded as a stock CS-510, at least with an 18" bar. It was much happier with a 16" bar.

I'm wondering about Echo's 60cc entry. The CS-6700 is a pretty heavy saw, all metal case, tank, etc, downsizing it to 60cc would make for one HEAVY saw!.......Cliff

 

[Javelin]

CLIFF look at the pics of the new CS600 it is a diffrent saw in build than the 670 is!

 

[Norwegian Wood]

About the 1201 it looks like it's design in the early 70's and it looks like there's no kickback handle infront of the bar. I'm I wrong??

Edit: And why don't they list HP on each saw on the site

 

[J.Gordon]

I don’t recall Echo publishing HP numbers on anything, but it didn’t keep me from buying their trimmers. I really like their balance and low vibes,mine have more than paid for themselves.

 

[trouba]

Statement from ECHO.

Horse power is not the best way to rate a 2 stroke engines power. When comparing the performance of two-stroke engines, going by horsepower is not really an accurate way to determine the performance capabilities of a unit. The reason for this, is that there are no industry standards set for rating the horsepower of a two-stroke engine. Due to the fact that there are no set standards, this allows too may variables to come into play allowing for possibly an incorrect or misleading horsepower rating. ECHO does not publish horse power ratings.

 

[J.Gordon]

Well horsepower/kw is how the rest of the world does it, Echo should do the same, but I would imagine the reason they don’t is because their lacking in that department compared to the competition.
Since Echo knows the best unit of measurement for a two-stroke engine, they should report the spec’s on how much energy their product produces. jmho

 

[mountainlake]

Well horsepower/kw is how the rest of the world does it, Echo should do the same, but I would imagine the reason they don’t is because their lacking in that department compared to the competition.
Since Echo knows the best unit of measurement for a two-stroke engine, they should report the spec’s on how much energy their product produces. jmho

They have kw numbers over on uk sites not that they mean anything, it's how a saw cuts that counts not some inflated numbers. Steve

 

[Metals406]

I really like the look of that 1201!!. It has really old school lines.

 

[Javelin]

My contact buddy said the 1201 is a torque machine! I told him I wouldnt know! Maybe someday!

 

[Urbicide]

My contact buddy said the 1201 is a torque machine! I told him I wouldnt know! Maybe someday!

Why don't you see if you could get a couple for testng and evaluation?

 

[nilzlofgren]

The descriptions of the saws are written like the Chinese do when the try to sell there knock offs.

 

[volks-man]

fellas,
what we need is someone living in europe, who loves saws, is trustworthy enough not to run off with the cash, and who will ship us one.

sawtroll? scotsclayshooter?

 

[Javelin]

Exactly!

 

[volks-man]

i'll do you one better.
raffle tickets. that way someone gets the saw and no one is out much money!
just thinking outloud.

 

[Javelin]

I tried the demo thing but that did not fly! Maybe I can get the 600 though!

 

[Urbicide]

I did some work for a woman here last month. She was going down to Costa Rica to visit her niece right before Christmas. I asked her to bring me back a 090 but I think she thought that I was just kidding with her. If she only knew....

 

[J.Gordon]

They have kw numbers over on uk sites not that they mean anything, it's how a saw cuts that counts not some inflated numbers. Steve

Steve: could you post a link for their KW output? I couldn’t find it.
Whether it’s kilowatts or horse power it will give people an idea when making a purchase. Thanks!

.02 hp more hp doesn’t sell a saw to me, even though Shindaiwa has supposedly over rated their hp on the 488 I still love the reliability and weight of that saw, I don’t care for the feel of the new version though but that’s just me, someone else may like the new one better .

If Echo has the stuff that I like in a saw, a couple of points in hp wouldn’t keep me from getting one. That is if Javelin becomes a dealer.

 

[trouba]

Here is my exact post from another forum where they were bashing ECHO's over horse power. I personally think theirs more to it, I cut with a few guys almost every weekend weather permitting and they use Stihl old Homelites and even a Shindaiwa and they never go wow those ECHO's of yours are slow or weak.

Statement from ECHO.

Horse power is not the best way to rate a 2 stroke engines power. When comparing the performance of two-stroke engines, going by horsepower is not really an accurate way to determine the performance capabilities of a unit. The reason for this, is that there are no industry standards set for rating the horsepower of a two-stroke engine. Due to the fact that there are no set standards, this allows too may variables to come into play allowing for possibly an incorrect or misleading horsepower rating. ECHO does not publish horse power ratings.

I can also confirm this holds true with cars boats trucks ect, HP ratings don't mean squat. Have you noticed in the small engine catalogs like Northern Tool aren't rating their small engines by HP only anymore. Here's another scenario have you ever been to the drag race's only to see the car with the smaller motor with less HP win? How could that be that car was junk because its motor didn't produce as much HP, humm seems like there are some other variables that should be considered like maybe torque for one. Ask any ECHO user and they will tell you ECHO'S have lots of low end power. My CS-8000 has no trouble pulling a 36in bar in some very hard oak or locust even with my 225lb leaning on it and I don't mean cutting some 8in sticks I mean buried in some 38 40 inch wood. So maybe ECHO has decided to stay out of the so called bogus HP rating war and just make great dependable saws that sell themselves, and I don't think anyone can make a case that ECHO's are shelling out left and right. More like that Timex slogan they take a licking and keep on ticking or err cutting.

Sorry to rant I just get tired of some people telling me my saws suck.