Help! One saw to fit my needs!

[zogger]

This^^^ a homeowner doesn't need a pro 4-5 cube saw, period. Will it be faster in big wood? of course it will, so what. Buy the saw which meets to the cutting conditions you will see the most often. MS260 or 50cc saws are awesome in MOST situations you will encounter, [occasional brush clearing, firewood chores, falling the occasional tree to 20inch DBH]

We do pre-commercial thinning/timber-stand improvement where we literally fall hundreds of 6-12 inch diameter DBH trees per man day. The fastest combo we have found is a 50cc saw and a razor sharp .325 chain. A bigger saw slows you down do to weight/bulk, a smaller saw has negligible weight savings and is underpowered.

I know home owner has one commonly understood definition as it pertains to saws, light duty, small, etc..... BUT, joe homeowner is also way more likely to have a huge yard tree or six that can come down unexpectedly in storms, then requiring a much larger saw in an emergency situation.

I USED to be a one small saw guy...not anymore! Got cured of that notion that is all I allegedly needed... All it takes is one single big storm to change your outlook on what tools are appropriate to keep handy. Its exactly like having an emergency generator, you might only use it every other year whatever, but they sure come in handy then.

 

[RUSHNBOBO]

BUT, joe homeowner is also way more likely to have a huge yard tree or six that can come down unexpectedly in storms, then requiring a much larger saw in an emergency situation.

Yep, this happens every day ^^^^. [A homeowner needing a MS660 to buck 36inch diameter rounds]. A typical homeowner would be scared to death running a PRO falling saw and would likely lose a limb or worse. He/she should the phone calling a PRO.

The pro, [a good one] runs the correct size saw for the situation he/she encounters, no bigger, no smaller.

The 'occasional user' isnt falling timber in his backyard or bucking huge logs, he is doing firewood chores, clearing brush and falling a occasional pecker-pole-pine.

 

[Mike from Maine]

Here is the answer, an Echo670 for sale. Muff mod it (as long as you don't strip the bolt) and it will beat any stihl saw out there. And you can always return saws if they aren't acceptable, right?

 

[zogger]

Yep, this happens every day ^^^^. [A homeowner needing a MS660 to buck 36inch diameter rounds]. A typical homeowner would be scared to death running a PRO falling saw and would likely lose a limb or worse. He/she should the phone calling a PRO.

The pro, [a good one] runs the correct size saw for the situation he/she encounters, no bigger, no smaller.

The 'occasional user' isnt falling timber in his backyard or bucking huge logs, he is doing firewood chores, clearing brush and falling a occasional pecker-pole-pine.

Naw, disagree. this is a regional thing. You need some experience in tornado country. There aint enough pros around to deal with 100,000 big trees down in minutes. And I really dont want to hear there arent any bigt trees on the east coast..we may not have the tallest trees but there sure are some at stout heavy ones out here.

Guys who make a determination to be at least profficient, maybe not paid professional but at least profficient in cutting, should be able to grab any saw and work it if the situation demands it. And they should have at least two saws, the day to day small one, then at least a 70.

Like I said, I was the one small saw (still have it, 36cc), just firewood and a little fenceline clearing guy.. Two years and change and two tornadoes later I have a lot of saws, including large pro saws, and I can run them. Because I realised just thinking I only needed one small saw was complete BS. Moms nature proved that to me, and no internet conversation or elitist pro vs homeowner snobbery crap like is common around this website will change that fact.. NO, I do not need a 90 cc saw every day, but real dang nice to have when and if I need it. I made a committment the day the oak came in the living room to get adequate tools to deal with this situation again, for here and for my little area/community.

I would expect chainsaw enthusiasts to understand this. There needs to be people here and there with big saws, stuff just happens, and a lot of east coast is covered with big trees that can come down and they need to be dealt with. The percentage of pro loggers out there with large saws is quite small, so it falls, pun intended, on various sawheads to pick up the slack there for those just in case scenarios. Now everyone, probably not, but there should be enough guys around here and there with large saws, who know how to use them, to deal with emergency situations.

As for firewood, check out the firewood forum, plenty of pics and stories on 3 foot diameter to much larger hardwood trees are dealt with out here. Not much un with your little homerenter sized saw, you need a little more than that.

Really, just enough already with the !@$%% west coast snobbery, it got old a long time ago.

 

[naturelover]

Usually not the tornadoes, but the snow that gets the trees here.

There are some big trees still left here in the east, and a couple in this area that would give the 441 a workout. It would tackle about any tree here though, course a 661C would do it better.


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[RUSHNBOBO]

Naw, disagree. this is a regional thing. You need some experience in tornado country. There aint enough pros around to deal with 100,000 big trees down in minutes. And I really dont want to hear there arent any bigt trees on the east coast..we may not have the tallest trees but there sure are some at stout heavy ones out here.

LMAO, Fact most people that live in tornado country have never even seen a tornado.The chances of you seeing a tornado is barely above zero. Even very experienced storm chasers see a tornado about once for every 10 to 20 chases and they are actively looking and placing themselves in positions to get the best chance of seeing one.

And I really dont want to hear there arent any bigt trees on the east coast..we may not have the tallest trees but there sure are some at stout heavy ones out here.

We have trees out here [HUGE old growth softwood AND oak] that comes down all the time [we get snow out here on Bay Watch Beach too] I cut em up, my logging buddies cut em up, Joe Blow homeowner calls a pro. That's what pros do. A home owner 'could eventually' build a garage, put in a new driveway, install a swimming pool, piece down a 100ft tall doug fir, but they don't. 99% of homeowners don't have the necessary skill or don't want to die doin it.

Guys who make a determination to be at least profficient, maybe not paid professional but at least profficient in cutting, should be able to grab any saw and work it if the situation demands it. And they should have at least two saws, the day to day small one, then at least a 70.

Two? .... try 4-5 .... When you make a living bidding on jobs and running a saw I choose the fastest hand held device at any price, period. This means an assortment of falling saws, mid sized saws AND the worlds best climbing saw [MS200T]

Like I said, I was the one small saw (still have it, 36cc), just firewood and a little fenceline clearing guy.. Two years and change and two tornadoes later I have a lot of saws, including large pro saws, and I can run them. Because I realised just thinking I only needed one small saw was complete BS. Moms nature proved that to me, and no internet conversation or elitist pro vs homeowner snobbery crap like is common around this website will change that fact.. NO, I do not need a 90 cc saw every day, but real dang nice to have when and if I need it. I made a committment the day the oak came in the living room to get adequate tools to deal with this situation again, for here and for my little area/community.

Spelling is hard. :msp_biggrin:

You can run them, congratulations. 99% of the typical homeowner and probably the OP cant. Comprehend?

I would expect chainsaw enthusiasts to understand this. There needs to be people here and there with big saws, stuff just happens, and a lot of east coast is covered with big trees that can come down and they need to be dealt with. The percentage of pro loggers out there with large saws is quite small, so it falls, pun intended, on various sawheads to pick up the slack there for those just in case scenarios. Now everyone, probably not, but there should be enough guys around here and there with large saws, who know how to use them, to deal with emergency situations.

The East coast is covered in big trees? awesome. Come out here and I'll give you a tour of big trees. We have plenty of old growth fir and pine 6-9 FT. DBH, Redwood [gigantia and sempivirens] to 36 FT DBH :msp_scared: , yes 36 FT. and trees to 375 ft tall :taped: .

As for firewood, check out the firewood forum, plenty of pics and stories on 3 foot diameter to much larger hardwood trees are dealt with out here. Not much un with your little homerenter sized saw, you need a little more than that.

Typical homeowner goes to Stihl dealer and aint walking out with a pro logging saw, period. The shop owner would be irresponsible selling a occasional user a pro logging saw. Suggesting one to the inexperienced OP is nothing short of irresponsible.

 

[Gologit]

The East coast is covered in big trees? awesome. Come out here and I'll give you a tour of big trees. We have plenty of old growth fir and pine 6-9 FT. DBH, Redwood [gigantia and sempivirens] to 36 FT DBH :msp_scared: , yes 36 FT. and trees to 375 ft tall :taped: .

I've seen a few 6' dbh pine and fir but I don't think I've seen a 9' lately. You say we have "plenty" of them...where are they? I get around the Sierra pretty good but I haven't seen a 9' dbh fir or pine, or cedar for that matter, in many years.

And that 36' Redwood...where's that?

 

[RUSHNBOBO]

I've seen a few 6' dbh pine and fir but I don't think I've seen a 9' lately. I get around the Sierra pretty good but I haven't seen a 9' dbh fir or pine, or cedar for that matter, in many years.

And that 36' Redwood...where's that?

GGll works great, try it.

General Sherman Sequoia national Park, Maximum diameter at base >>> 36.5 ft

Plenty of 10 to 20 ft Redwoods [Sierra and Coastal]

If you "got around the Sierra's" you would already have known that.

Here's a more few West Coast saplings [ CA only] .... [every category has dozens if not hundreds of nominees]

Coast Douglas-fir, Pseudotsuga menziesii var. menziesii
First measured: 1993, last measured: 2002.
Nominated by: Rick Jones
NV State Champion National Champion
Logan Shoals, LTBMU Jedediah Smith Redwoods SP, CA
Circumference: 170 inches(54.1” diameter) 170” 512”
Height: 147 feet 147’ 301’
Crown: 44 feet (11 crown points) 44’ 65’
Total Points: 328 328 829
Location: This tree is located at the north end of the Logan Shore Vista Point off U.S. Highway 50 in
Douglas County, Nevada at an elevation of 6250’; T.14N, R.18E; center Section 22, MDM&B.

California Red Fir, Abies magnifica
First measured in 2004, last measured in 2004
Nominated by: Dave Allessio
CA State Champion National Champion
Yosemite NP, CA Yosemite NP, CA
Circumference: 260 inches(82.8” diameter) 365” 365”
Height: 176 feet 172’ 172’
Crown: 38 feet (10 crown points) 41’ 41’
Total Points: 446 547 547
Location: This tree is located south of Benwood Meadow in El DoradoCounty, California at an elevation
of 8200’, T.11N, R.18E; center Section 18, MDM&B.

Mountain Hemlock, Tsuga mertensiana
First measured: 2004, last measured: 2004
Nominated by: Dave Allessio
CA State Champion National Champion
Alpine County, CA Alpine County, CA
Circumference: 220 inches (69.9” diameter) 277” 277”
Height: 104 feet 113’ 113’
Crown: 45 feet (11 crown points) 44’ 44’
Total Points: 335 401 401
Location: This tree is located along the Tahoe Rim Trail north of Barker Pass at the headwaters of the north
fork of Blackwood Creek in Placer County, California at an elevation of 8000 feet; T.14N, R.16E, NW ¼
Section 5, MDM&B.

Incense-Cedar,Calocedrus decurrens
First measured: 2009, last measured: 2009
Nominated by: Rita Mustatia
CA State Champion National Champion
Marble Mtn Wilderness, CA Marble Mtn Wilderness, CA
Circumference: 337 inches (107.3” diameter) 468” 468”
Height: 132 feet 165’ 165’
Crown: 63 feet (16 crown points) 49’ 49’
Total Points: 485 645 645
Location: This tree is located near the junction of Forest Road 14N42 and Forest Trail 17E01 in the Meeks
Creek drainage approximately one and one-quarter miles west of State Highway 89 in El Dorado County,
California at an elevation of 6320 feet; T.14N, R.17E, SW ¼ of Section 30, MDM&B.

Western (Sierra) Juniper, Juniperus occidentalis
First measured: 2010, last measured: 2010
Nominated by: Scott Parsons
CA State Champion National Champion
Stanislaus NF, CA Stanislaus NF, CA
Circumference: 269 inches(85.5” diameter) 481” 481”
Height: 82 feet 78’ 78’
Crown: 38 feet (9 crown points) 56’ 56’
Total Points: 360 573 573
Location: This tree is located south of Big Meadow east ofthe Tahoe Rim Trail in El DoradoCounty,
California at an elevation of 7500’. The tree is located in a stand of red fir and lodgepole pine, T.11N,
R.18E, NE1/4 Section 28, MDM&B.

Jeffrey Pine, Pinus jeffreyi
First measured: 1998, last measured: 2004, tree died in summer 2006
Nominated by: Scott Parsons
CA State Champion National Champion
Stanislaus NF, CA Stanislaus NF, CA
Circumference: 285 inches(90.7” diameter) 306” 306”
Height: 152 feet 202’ 202’
Crown: 56 feet (14 crown points) 79’ 79’
Total Points: 451 528 528
Location: This tree is located on Pomo Street within the Spring Creek Recreation Residence tract, east of
Taylor Creek in El Dorado County, California at an elevation of 6480’, T.13N, R.17E, SE ¼ Section 34,
MDB&B.

Ponderosa Pine, Pinus ponderosa
First measured: 1995, last measured: 1995
Nominated by: Robert McDowell
CA State Champion National Champion
Plumas NF, CA Plumas NF, CA
Circumference: 277 inches(88.2” diameter) 293” 293”
Height: 168 feet 227’ 227’
Crown: 62 feet (16 crown points) 68’ 68’
Total Points: 461 537 537
Location: This tree is located east of the entrance to the Spring Creek Recreation Residence tract about
500’ south of Highway 89 in El Dorado County, California at an elevation of 6320’, T.13N, R.17E, NW ¼
Section 35, MDM&B.

 

[Gologit]

GGll works great, try it.

General Sherman Sequoia national Park, Maximum diameter at base >>> 36.5 ft

Plenty of 10 to 20 ft Redwoods [Sierra and Coastal]

If you "got around the Sierra's" you would already have known that.

Here's a more few West Coast saplings .... [every category has dozens if not hundreds of nominees]

Coast Douglas-fir, Pseudotsuga menziesii var. menziesii
First measured: 1993, last measured: 2002.
Nominated by: Rick Jones
NV State Champion National Champion
Logan Shoals, LTBMU Jedediah Smith Redwoods SP, CA
Circumference: 170 inches(54.1” diameter) 170” 512”
Height: 147 feet 147’ 301’
Crown: 44 feet (11 crown points) 44’ 65’
Total Points: 328 328 829
Location: This tree is located at the north end of the Logan Shore Vista Point off U.S. Highway 50 in
Douglas County, Nevada at an elevation of 6250’; T.14N, R.18E; center Section 22, MDM&B.

California Red Fir, Abies magnifica
First measured in 2004, last measured in 2004
Nominated by: Dave Allessio
CA State Champion National Champion
Yosemite NP, CA Yosemite NP, CA
Circumference: 260 inches(82.8” diameter) 365” 365”
Height: 176 feet 172’ 172’
Crown: 38 feet (10 crown points) 41’ 41’
Total Points: 446 547 547
Location: This tree is located south of Benwood Meadow in El DoradoCounty, California at an elevation
of 8200’, T.11N, R.18E; center Section 18, MDM&B.

Mountain Hemlock, Tsuga mertensiana
First measured: 2004, last measured: 2004
Nominated by: Dave Allessio
CA State Champion National Champion
Alpine County, CA Alpine County, CA
Circumference: 220 inches (69.9” diameter) 277” 277”
Height: 104 feet 113’ 113’
Crown: 45 feet (11 crown points) 44’ 44’
Total Points: 335 401 401
Location: This tree is located along the Tahoe Rim Trail north of Barker Pass at the headwaters of the north
fork of Blackwood Creek in Placer County, California at an elevation of 8000 feet; T.14N, R.16E, NW ¼
Section 5, MDM&B.

Incense-Cedar,Calocedrus decurrens
First measured: 2009, last measured: 2009
Nominated by: Rita Mustatia
CA State Champion National Champion
Marble Mtn Wilderness, CA Marble Mtn Wilderness, CA
Circumference: 337 inches (107.3” diameter) 468” 468”
Height: 132 feet 165’ 165’
Crown: 63 feet (16 crown points) 49’ 49’
Total Points: 485 645 645
Location: This tree is located near the junction of Forest Road 14N42 and Forest Trail 17E01 in the Meeks
Creek drainage approximately one and one-quarter miles west of State Highway 89 in El Dorado County,
California at an elevation of 6320 feet; T.14N, R.17E, SW ¼ of Section 30, MDM&B.

Western (Sierra) Juniper, Juniperus occidentalis
First measured: 2010, last measured: 2010
Nominated by: Scott Parsons
CA State Champion National Champion
Stanislaus NF, CA Stanislaus NF, CA
Circumference: 269 inches(85.5” diameter) 481” 481”
Height: 82 feet 78’ 78’
Crown: 38 feet (9 crown points) 56’ 56’
Total Points: 360 573 573
Location: This tree is located south of Big Meadow east ofthe Tahoe Rim Trail in El DoradoCounty,
California at an elevation of 7500’. The tree is located in a stand of red fir and lodgepole pine, T.11N,
R.18E, NE1/4 Section 28, MDM&B.

Jeffrey Pine, Pinus jeffreyi
First measured: 1998, last measured: 2004, tree died in summer 2006
Nominated by: Scott Parsons
CA State Champion National Champion
Stanislaus NF, CA Stanislaus NF, CA
Circumference: 285 inches(90.7” diameter) 306” 306”
Height: 152 feet 202’ 202’
Crown: 56 feet (14 crown points) 79’ 79’
Total Points: 451 528 528
Location: This tree is located on Pomo Street within the Spring Creek Recreation Residence tract, east of
Taylor Creek in El Dorado County, California at an elevation of 6480’, T.13N, R.17E, SE ¼ Section 34,
MDB&B.

Ponderosa Pine, Pinus ponderosa
First measured: 1995, last measured: 1995
Nominated by: Robert McDowell
CA State Champion National Champion
Plumas NF, CA Plumas NF, CA
Circumference: 277 inches(88.2” diameter) 293” 293”
Height: 168 feet 227’ 227’
Crown: 62 feet (16 crown points) 68’ 68’
Total Points: 461 537 537
Location: This tree is located east of the entrance to the Spring Creek Recreation Residence tract about
500’ south of Highway 89 in El Dorado County, California at an elevation of 6320’, T.13N, R.17E, NW ¼
Section 35, MDM&B.

That's impressive. You really did your homework. But that's still a long way from "plenty".

 

[RUSHNBOBO]

That's impressive. You really did your homework. But that's still a long way from "plenty".

Didn't say they were on every corner.

Plenty: A large quantity or amount; an abundance: [prolly not the best-est word, but there's definitely more than a 'couple' and less than 'a lot']

Still friends I hope...

What was the OP again? :msp_w00t:

 

[zogger]

LMAO, Fact most people that live in tornado country have never even seen a tornado.The chances of you seeing a tornado is barely above zero. Even very experienced storm chasers see a tornado about once for every 10 to 20 chases and they are actively looking and placing themselves in positions to get the best chance of seeing one.



We have trees out here [HUGE old growth softwood AND oak] that comes down all the time [we get snow out here on Bay Watch Beach too] I cut em up, my logging buddies cut em up, Joe Blow homeowner calls a pro. That's what pros do. A home owner 'could eventually' build a garage, put in a new driveway, install a swimming pool, piece down a 100ft tall doug fir, but they don't. 99% of homeowners don't have the necessary skill or don't want to die doin it.




Two? .... try 4-5 .... When you make a living bidding on jobs and running a saw I choose the fastest hand held device at any price, period. This means an assortment of falling saws, mid sized saws AND the worlds best climbing saw [MS200T]



Spelling is hard. :msp_biggrin:

You can run them, congratulations. 99% of the typical homeowner and probably the OP cant. Comprehend?



The East coast is covered in big trees? awesome. Come out here and I'll give you a tour of big trees. We have plenty of old growth fir and pine 6-9 FT. DBH, Redwood [gigantia and sempivirens] to 36 FT DBH :msp_scared: , yes 36 FT. and trees to 375 ft tall :taped: .



Typical homeowner goes to Stihl dealer and aint walking out with a pro logging saw, period. The shop owner would be irresponsible selling a occasional user a pro logging saw. Suggesting one to the inexperienced OP is nothing short of irresponsible.

Laughing right back at ya. and sneering, got no use for internet tough guys and elitist snobs. Plenty of big trees here, you can call them pecker poles, who cares, and seeing the tornado or evidence of it passing is quite common.

I have no idea where you get your alleged data about the east coast, the trees here that can be ound, and tornado country, but you are just wrong. Heck, just in my yard are two 5 foot diameter oaks. And I still think it is a good idea or anyone who wants to be above a real casual cutter to have at least two saws, one of them a 70, to deal with larger trees. I have no idea what is supposedly wrong on advocating a two saw plan here or people, seems to be airly well accepted. yes, I like more than two saws as well..now.

Anytime you want to come and stand in the falling zone here and just flick aside an east coast peckerpole, you are welcome to come out and show off your manly skills. I pick the peckerpole, you stand still in the falling zone, and just wow the tree aside with your supreme machoness.

I am done with this thread. I think we both made our points. Ya all enjoy your superior elitist self, I will just muddle on by over here.

My apoloties to the OP on thread disruption, just didnt want to let that macho snob crap stand unchallenged.

 

[JLT]

@ rushnbobo . . .

Why all the hostility, friend? Why not remain open to the possibility that there are property owners out there that are quite capable of running a pro saw? Many of the folks that frequent this forum are not professionals and clearly have a great deal more experience than I do, but believe me when I tell you that I am not 'scared to death' when I run my 064, and I have enough on the ball to understand where my limitations are. A little (OK, a lot!) patience, some forethought, some humility and a lot of situational awareness can equip one to handle the vast majority of situations safely. When we 'homeowners' encounter the complement situations, the ones beyond our abilities, we call professionals such as yourself.

And when that phone rings and it's a 'homeowner' on the other end of the line, that person is a customer - the guy that pays the bills. The customer deserves respect and attention, not contempt. That one doesn't wrestle 8' DBH timber on a regular basis does not make one a pant-wetting moron or a thumb-sucking toddler.

And I, too, would like to know where that 36' DBH Redwood can be seen. Makes the General Sherman look like a matchstick, I'll bet.

 

[Wables]

No apologies to the OP are needed. I had to pop a bag of popcorn to get to the end though.

 

[RUSHNBOBO]

Laughing right back at ya. and sneering, got no use for internet tough guys and elitist snobs. Plenty of big trees here, you can call them pecker poles, who cares, and seeing the tornado or evidence of it passing is quite common.

I have no idea where you get your alleged data about the east coast, the trees here that can be ound, and tornado country, but you are just wrong. Heck, just in my yard are two 5 foot diameter oaks. And I still think it is a good idea or anyone who wants to be above a real casual cutter to have at least two saws, one of them a 70, to deal with larger trees. I have no idea what is supposedly wrong on advocating a two saw plan here or people, seems to be airly well accepted. yes, I like more than two saws as well..now.

Anytime you want to come and stand in the falling zone here and just flick aside an east coast peckerpole, you are welcome to come out and show off your manly skills. I pick the peckerpole, you stand still in the falling zone, and just wow the tree aside with your supreme machoness.

I am done with this thread. I think we both made our points. Ya all enjoy your superior elitist self, I will just muddle on by over here.

My apoloties to the OP on thread disruption, just didnt want to let that macho snob crap stand unchallenged.

Spelling is hard.

Never said there wasn't large trees on the East coast, If I did you would have quoted it. 'Comprehension'

Never said the West Coast trees were superior in any way to East Coast trees, the softwood trees are just tremendously larger

'facts suck.'

Dont flame my posts and you wont get embarrassed next time.

 

[stihl023/5]

Spelling is hard.

Never said there wasn't large trees on the East coast, If I did you would have quoted it. 'Comprehension'

Never said the West Coast trees were superior in any way to East Coast trees, the softwood trees are just tremendously larger

'facts suck.'

Dont flame my posts and you wont get embarrassed next time.

Wow, anyway back on topic any 50-60 saw should suit your purpose well let us know what you decide.

 

[RUSHNBOBO]

Why all the hostility, friend? Why not remain open to the possibility that there are property owners out there that are quite capable of running a pro saw? Many of the folks that frequent this forum are not professionals and clearly have a great deal more experience than I do, but believe me when I tell you that I am not 'scared to death' when I run my 064, and I have enough on the ball to understand where my limitations are. A little (OK, a lot!) patience, some forethought, some humility and a lot of situational awareness can equip one to handle the vast majority of situations safely. When we 'homeowners' encounter the complement situations, the ones beyond our abilities, we call professionals such as yourself.

And when that phone rings and it's a 'homeowner' on the other end of the line, that person is a customer - the guy that pays the bills. The customer deserves respect and attention, not contempt. That one doesn't wrestle 8' DBH timber on a regular basis does not make one a pant-wetting moron or a thumb-sucking toddler.

People get killed by chainsaws every day, nothing quite like speeding up the process by handing a complete novice a fire breathing pro falling chainsaw

And I, too, would like to know where that 36' DBH Redwood can be seen. Makes the General Sherman look like a matchstick, I'll bet.

Google is your friend, it is on your computer/phone/iPad/ for a reason, use it sometime, Here I'll do it for you, damn.

General Sherman (tree) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The General Sherman Tree - Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks
General Sherman Tree - YouTube

Watch and learn...

If being responsible is hostile, I'm hostile then. If I was a dealer no occasional user would walk out the door with a MS660, he/she would be carrying a saw engineered for the occasional user no more no less.

Stihl's website:
occasional use, commercial use, and professional use.

Any more questions? :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[RUSHNBOBO]

Wow, anyway back on topic any 50-60 saw should suit your purpose well let us know what you decide.

This is the topic^^^^, where you been? Not like anyone hasn't suggested a 50cc saw yet, I only did it 3 times now...

thanx for the awesome info though

 

[Gologit]

People get killed by chainsaws every day...






Any more questions? :hmm3grin2orange:

People get killed by chainsaws every day? I'm surprised we don't hear about it. We have members from all over the world and when a saw fatality happens we usually get word of it.

And yes, I have a question. How long, with your adversarial attitude, do you plan on being here?

 

[RandyMac]

Damn, did I miss my chance to add to the West Coast snobbery?

 

[RUSHNBOBO]

People get killed by chainsaws every day? I'm surprised we don't hear about it. We have members from all over the world and when a saw fatality happens we usually get word of it.

And yes, I have a question. How long, with your adversarial attitude, do you plan on being here?

Until you learn respect and get educated, I have all day...

During 1992--2007,* a total of 1,285 workers died while performing tree care and maintenance; 44% were trimming or pruning a tree when fatally injured.

Stats only for professional nearly 100 per year, home use non-professional not included.

Like I said, someone gets killed every day. :taped:

Facts are difficult... here's more...

The most common causes of death were being struck by or against an object (42% of deaths), most commonly a tree or branch; falls to a lower level (34%); and electrocutions (14%). Most of the decedents (57%) worked for small establishments with 10 or fewer employees. Employers, trade and worker associations, and policymakers should take additional steps to improve the safety of workers involved in tree care, such as providing formal training to workers and ensuring that personal protective equipment (e.g., fall protection equipment) is used properly.

Lets give a professional saw to my neighbor and watch the fun begin :smile2:

Most homeowners scare me when they run a weedeater, lets give them a Pro-Saw too FTW