This thread was a great help in rebuilding my 045 Super. BTW, where's that 056 Mag II you're building from all NOS parts?
056mag2 project underway... part one of many
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Lakeside53
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It's coming... and will be added to this thread... I just picked up my NOS boot yesterday!
Big feller
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1115 664 0500 for the puny things that break
1115 664 0501 for the butch ones. Stihl advise to use these only with fire safe muffler.
A google search for 056 spike should turn something up - last time I looked someone had a stack of them at a fairly reasonable price.
spacemule
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Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Pressure... pressure.... few more weeks!
bigchips
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056 problem myself
I have an 3 056's that are animals, trouble with one is it revs up like a beast idles fine but put under a load and it starts missing and poping threw the carb i don't know whats wrong i think its either the ignition when heats up or just bad kill switch. But i will never part with these beasts. i'm sold it turns up a 36" bar like nothing.:chainsawguy:
I have an 3 056's that are animals, trouble with one is it revs up like a beast idles fine but put under a load and it starts missing and poping threw the carb i don't know whats wrong i think its either the ignition when heats up or just bad kill switch. But i will never part with these beasts. i'm sold it turns up a 36" bar like nothing.:chainsawguy:
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Ok... finally got the "not mine" crap off my bench...
Time to get the 056MAG2 built up.. I've been slowly accumulating NOS parts.. and now have enough to pretty much rebuild the entire saw with new parts. The case sides were mismarked as "056 super"; the tank was missing gaskets and mislabeled... and all were coated in grime, dust, nicotine stains, and other crap... Dishwasher... (shhhh!) and they came out nice...
First..... insert NOS bearings into the new cases sides.
The NOS bearings and crank were locked up solid - nothing bad - just the old packing grease had "soaponified" - or.. dried out... Brake cleaner and they were like new (they are!)...
I removed the oil tank vent and all rubber parts as prep for heating in the convection oven.
The flywheel side will be easy - heat it to 300F for 20 minutes, and the bearing will drop in. The clutch side has a steel insert, and presents more of a problem as steel expands much less then mag, so the bearing is likely to be difficult to insert unless everything is perfect.... It needs to locate against the inner circlip. The easiest way is to insert it from the inside, but unless you have a backstop, there is no way to press the bearing in square. If you're not exactly square, it will jamb...
Find a piece of pipe 2 inches OD and square up the ends, or.... if you have a lathe, make one... The piece on the right is a cheap Stihl bearing mandrel. One end does the clutch side; the other end - the flywheel; fits many saws/bearings. MUCH easier than sockets and other mickey-mouse approaches! Time is of the essence.. and fumbling around while the bearing heats up isn't good....
In the arbor press... backstop beneath...
Both bearings in place... Love those new case sides!
Interestingly.. the case has a serial number.. which means it was pulled from production rather then as a "spare"... I might register it with Stihl... and get my warranty... lolol
To be continued...
Time to get the 056MAG2 built up.. I've been slowly accumulating NOS parts.. and now have enough to pretty much rebuild the entire saw with new parts. The case sides were mismarked as "056 super"; the tank was missing gaskets and mislabeled... and all were coated in grime, dust, nicotine stains, and other crap... Dishwasher... (shhhh!) and they came out nice...
First..... insert NOS bearings into the new cases sides.
The NOS bearings and crank were locked up solid - nothing bad - just the old packing grease had "soaponified" - or.. dried out... Brake cleaner and they were like new (they are!)...
I removed the oil tank vent and all rubber parts as prep for heating in the convection oven.
The flywheel side will be easy - heat it to 300F for 20 minutes, and the bearing will drop in. The clutch side has a steel insert, and presents more of a problem as steel expands much less then mag, so the bearing is likely to be difficult to insert unless everything is perfect.... It needs to locate against the inner circlip. The easiest way is to insert it from the inside, but unless you have a backstop, there is no way to press the bearing in square. If you're not exactly square, it will jamb...
Find a piece of pipe 2 inches OD and square up the ends, or.... if you have a lathe, make one... The piece on the right is a cheap Stihl bearing mandrel. One end does the clutch side; the other end - the flywheel; fits many saws/bearings. MUCH easier than sockets and other mickey-mouse approaches! Time is of the essence.. and fumbling around while the bearing heats up isn't good....
In the arbor press... backstop beneath...
Both bearings in place... Love those new case sides!
Interestingly.. the case has a serial number.. which means it was pulled from production rather then as a "spare"... I might register it with Stihl... and get my warranty... lolol
To be continued...
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Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
another snowy day.. so more progress on the rebuild..
Two cranks.. Note the differences between the "old" (with bearings) and the NOS crank. The new crank is actually older, and has the FW side lobe ground for points. Apart from that, no differences, and it will work fine. The good news is that in 2079 when all 056 electronic ignitions have finally failed, someone can put points back in this one
And... two oil pump spline drives... The left is NOS and the first generation and has a separate spacer ring; the right is a used later version with an extended inner sleeve. If you come across the earler version, you'll need the spacer. BTW.. neither of these are available from Stihl anymore..
Using the Stihl factory tools...
Suck on the ignition side...
Place the gasket, position with a few long screws, suck on the clutch side.
Loosely tighten the case screws, bang in the two location pins, and then torque the case evenly. I wanted to replace the case screws with torx, but.. the heads are nearly 1mm wider and in some holes bound in the bottom of the cast holes. Reverted back to new slotted/washer screws...
Trim the case gasket under the cylinder before you forget..
Fitting the piston and clips. Pistons (and even the clips) are no longer available from Stihl...
Two cranks.. Note the differences between the "old" (with bearings) and the NOS crank. The new crank is actually older, and has the FW side lobe ground for points. Apart from that, no differences, and it will work fine. The good news is that in 2079 when all 056 electronic ignitions have finally failed, someone can put points back in this one
And... two oil pump spline drives... The left is NOS and the first generation and has a separate spacer ring; the right is a used later version with an extended inner sleeve. If you come across the earler version, you'll need the spacer. BTW.. neither of these are available from Stihl anymore..
Using the Stihl factory tools...
Suck on the ignition side...
Place the gasket, position with a few long screws, suck on the clutch side.
Loosely tighten the case screws, bang in the two location pins, and then torque the case evenly. I wanted to replace the case screws with torx, but.. the heads are nearly 1mm wider and in some holes bound in the bottom of the cast holes. Reverted back to new slotted/washer screws...
Trim the case gasket under the cylinder before you forget..
Fitting the piston and clips. Pistons (and even the clips) are no longer available from Stihl...
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Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Cylinder going on...
This NOS cylinder is Marle chrome, not Nikersil. Most 056 are like this. I replaced the hex head cylinder bolts with M6x25 torx.
Oil pump and misc parts attached... The pump worm drive is the only old part in there... Still available but I'll find one really cheap one day
Fuel tank- this is a REALLY good time to attach the fuel hose to the tank... a real PITA to to attach after assembly. Hose, fuel filter, gasket and new screws. Real easy stuff.
End of day... just a few more misc parts and then it ready for a new SEM ignition and final assembly.
This NOS cylinder is Marle chrome, not Nikersil. Most 056 are like this. I replaced the hex head cylinder bolts with M6x25 torx.
Oil pump and misc parts attached... The pump worm drive is the only old part in there... Still available but I'll find one really cheap one day
Fuel tank- this is a REALLY good time to attach the fuel hose to the tank... a real PITA to to attach after assembly. Hose, fuel filter, gasket and new screws. Real easy stuff.
End of day... just a few more misc parts and then it ready for a new SEM ignition and final assembly.
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Andy, when did the 056 go out of production? I thought parts were to be available for 10 yrs.!
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Late 80's?
Many parts are still available, but only because nobody bought them!. You can get the old type clutch shoes, but not the later. Full clutches are available.. for now.
Pistons are not, a few Piston/cylinder sets are in stock, but no gaskets... part are getting thin... and in the past 6 months, many parts have been exhausted.
No more top handes either... I got pretty much the last one... or complete mufflers...
Many parts are still available, but only because nobody bought them!. You can get the old type clutch shoes, but not the later. Full clutches are available.. for now.
Pistons are not, a few Piston/cylinder sets are in stock, but no gaskets... part are getting thin... and in the past 6 months, many parts have been exhausted.
No more top handes either... I got pretty much the last one... or complete mufflers...
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Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Buy three.. sell what you don't need
well.. that WAS my plan...
well.. that WAS my plan...
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Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Oh oh.. desperate searches for parts:
from today's Seattle craigslist...
056av Stihl Chainsaw/Piston
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Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-03-30, 8:34PM PDT
Looking for a 52 mm piston(new or new appearance) for an 056av electronic stihl chainsaw. If you have a box of parts for this saw I'll buy that if it has a piston that will hold compression. I pay cash. Please call (425) 831 5508 and leave a message as I work at night. Thank you for your interest, Jay.
Location: Snoqualmie
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 624660301
from today's Seattle craigslist...
056av Stihl Chainsaw/Piston
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Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-03-30, 8:34PM PDT
Looking for a 52 mm piston(new or new appearance) for an 056av electronic stihl chainsaw. If you have a box of parts for this saw I'll buy that if it has a piston that will hold compression. I pay cash. Please call (425) 831 5508 and leave a message as I work at night. Thank you for your interest, Jay.
Location: Snoqualmie
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 624660301
spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
Sure looks shiny!
THALL10326
The Champ
Sure looks shiny!
No kidding, that saw is awesome clean and looking great, real good thread too, can't beat that Lake.....
Tzed250
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I have catalogs from about 1994 that still list the 056...
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
In English? years after the 066 was out? hmmm.... but... stranger things have happend in the land of Stihl.
