LittleLebowski
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Like I said I am not trashing the model, but if I could buy a saw that is more powerful and weighs the same, I am going to do that.
At any price?
Like I said I am not trashing the model, but if I could buy a saw that is more powerful and weighs the same, I am going to do that.
I am glad you like the saw, and I have nothing bad to say about it. But I stand by my statement.
Hang out on this forum long enough and you will see the trend of bias from one model to the next that is recommended in droves to anyone who asks for a new saw regardless of what they are actually looking for. The 421 IS that saw right now.
I am no fan of hype as well, although for me as a 420 (previous model to the 421 with 0.3hp less) owner, I understand the hype quite well. Of course it isn't the magic hokus pokus saw some people like to imply, but for the same money i would choose the by far better build quality any day of the week.
Further a test done a few years ago on stihl lab equipment with stihl, husqvarna 455, shindaiwa, efco, etc. And that test the dolmar 420 proved to be more fuel economical than husqvarna 455. So for me the mythical fuel savings from the more "modern" engine clearly isn't so simp!e as often proclaimed.
That is the way I see it.
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Yes. The top power to weight in a given class comes at a premium. If you want the leading saw in its class IE 550, 562, 461 expect to shell out a little extra. If you want the best it's worth it.At any price?
Personal experience and I concur from my own personal experience.
Yes. The top power to weight in a given class comes at a premium. If you want the leading saw in its class IE 550, 562, 461 expect to shell out a little extra. If you want the best it's worth it.
Again it's appples to oranges but the 421 and 550 weigh exactly the same. Grab on to a broken in 550 and you will near angels singing when you rev her up.
When you experience a majority of the 40 cc saws used in a working enviroment then you can pick out the strengths and weaknesses and call one the "best"..until then..have some lunch.
Curious, what part of "personal experience" did you not understand? If you feel superior now, I suppose that's all that matter though
Yes. The top power to weight in a given class comes at a premium. If you want the leading saw in its class IE 550, 562, 461 expect to shell out a little extra. If you want the best it's worth it.
Again it's appples to oranges but the 421 and 550 weigh exactly the same. Grab on to a broken in 550 and you will hear angels singing when you rev her up.
If you want to broaden your experience on different saw models I'd suggest attending a saw GTG in your area. In addition to being a good time, nearly every saw imaginable will be there.Unfortunately, the angels in my wallet won't be singing.
If you want to broaden your experience on different saw models I'd suggest attending a saw GTG in your area. In addition to being a good time, nearly every saw imaginable will be there.
Im superior to no one in any way shape or form.
The problem on these forums is that particular models of saws get shoved down peoples throats by people that barely have a leg to stand on..if you enjoy your saw thats awesome , im happy.
I run the ever living balls out of saws in the 40-60cc range and respect them all for what they are..to define one as "best" is tough..real tough.
"Best" is a relative term...best at what ?
I see it similar to @SAWMIKAZE , in the 40cc class the 241 & 543 clearly are a more modern concept and weigh less. Although as soon as the 421 looses it's cat the weight gap closes substantially but is still there. Powerwise and build qualitywise there is hardly a difference.
www.shindaiwa.de/presse/motorsaegentest.pdfPlease post the link to that test or send it to me.
I can't read German but it sure looks like the 420 is the better then all the others.www.shindaiwa.de/presse/motorsaegentest.pdf
Of course the test is in german, but the chart is easily understood.
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This is why I stick with my 550. I want to try a Dolmar 421 but it's the same weight and less power. I agree with the angel thing lol.Yes. The top power to weight in a given class comes at a premium. If you want the leading saw in its class IE 550, 562, 461 expect to shell out a little extra. If you want the best it's worth it.
Again it's appples to oranges but the 421 and 550 weigh exactly the same. Grab on to a broken in 550 and you will hear angels singing when you rev her up.
Again it's appples to oranges but the 421 and 550 weigh exactly the same. Grab on to a broken in 550 and you will hear angels singing when you rev her up.
Tell me exactly why a 40cc range Stihl or Husqvarna is actually worth over two hundred dollars more than the 421. I'm dead serious, I want to know.
Some might say the 241 with M-tronic is worth the premium price, but my preference is to have a sturdy saw that is old school so when my new school saw breaks, I can still run the old school one.
I haven't ran a 241 so I can't speak to performance other than the videos out there, but the ea4300/421 is such good bang for the buck, coil spring suspension, built like a tank, easiest starting saw that doesn't feel like a toy, etc etc etc, if it happens to be a tad less powerful than the 241, that's completely fine by me. On paper they seem pretty close in weight but again, the sturdy nature of this 421/ea4300 suggests a little more weight, and I like sturdy.
As far as the 543 goes, I guess it has the lower weight advantage wrapped up, but from what I've read, it's not that impressive in build or strength.
IMHO, bang for buck winner in top quality 40cc saw = EA4300/421 (caveat, I haven't driven an echo yet)
More enthusiasm to come
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