Pioneer chainsaws

[artie__bc]

Here's one of my IEL AB's

 

[WesternSaw]

Hi Artie

Man you have some nice looking P series saws there.A couple hardly have any paint missing.Where do you find your saws Ebay,Buy and Sell, craigslist,garage sales?I think there must be some stored away up the Fraser Valley,Mission, Chilliwack,Hope.
Lawrence
Have you seen propliners Pseries there posted on here
Lawrence

 

[artie__bc]

Man you have some nice looking P series saws there.A couple hardly have any paint missing.Where do you find your saws Ebay,Buy and Sell, craigslist,garage sales?I think there must be some stored away up the Fraser Valley,Mission, Chilliwack,Hope.
Lawrence
Have you seen propliners Pseries there posted on here
Lawrence

Hi Lawrence

Yeah Propliner has some nice saws, a couple of them he beat me out of on eBay lol. As far as where I find them, all the above, plus it pays to make friends with the local saw shops.

 

[jonesec]

Chain for P51 or P62

Running a 28" bar, would you use full comp or skip for the big P series saws? I have a project saw that I am completing, and I need to get a chain for it. My P61 has a 32" bar with skip chain. The other saw is either a P52 or a P 62 (it isn't marked on the data plate on the bottom), and I have a 28" bar, but I haven't bought a chain yet. I think if it runs anything like the other saw, it should easily be able to pull it. However, I would like to get some more input. I figured the Pioneer gurus are here, so I hope to get some great feedback. Thanks in advance.

 

[Bruce Hopf]

Bruce , its good to hear that the carb things are working out for you, I rebuild a lot of them and know some of them inside out but on occasion I have to remove and reset the odd one that will not perform up to my expectations.
I know what you mean about adapting our working habits as I am getting older I don`t work the way I once did but can still put in a good days work in the woods and still enjoy it the way I always have. If I choose I can work around the big machinery, harvesters,feller bunchers,skidders and porters.I do it once in a while just for fun but I really don`t like the noise and destruction these machines make, they are a fast way to collect wood but I enjoy working with the chainsaws for falling and skid it out to a landing,then cut it up with the big saws,that's the fun part. Loading with the 621 C and hauling with the L8000 dump truck is less fun but necessary to move the wood. I will continue to work with wood as long as I still enjoy doing so and work on the saws when the time and weather allow.
If you ever tire of working with the Macs for every day cutting I recommend using some of the Orange and White saws, they really speed up production and are much less tiring on your body. I work with quite a few of them now and run my Pioneers for fun, the vintage saws are just too slow and heavy for every day cutting.
My friend has improved quite a bit this year and he thinks it has a lot to do with getting out and doing some productive things,one being cutting wood where he pushes himself to step over downed trees and walk on uneven ground. Even picking things up and moving them about improves his balance and mobility, he says he can feel the strength coming back in his legs and back by getting out and working some. I know that I can see a lot of improvement in him myself,he always has a positive outlook,smiles a lot and is a bit proud of his abilities and improvements. All positive,that's my payback.
Pioneerguy600

Hi Jerry.
I was wondering if you could help me out here once again. I'm almost at the point, that I'm going to have to look for a Lighter Chain Saw to cut wood with.
I know where I can get a few of those Chain Saws, in the Colour that you mentioned, that need some work to get them running again. I have no Idea of the weight of some of those Saws. I'm seriously thinking about picking up an 044 that is not running, and try to make a good running Chain Saw with it. I have no idea what it weighs without the Bar.
My Pro Mac weighs 15 LBS without the Bar, and my Pro Mac 700 weighs somewhere around 18 to 21 LBS without the Bar. So if you could give me a rough Idea of the weight of the Chain Saw without the Bar, that would be Great. I really do appreciate the help and advice. Thanks. Bruce.

 

[Bruce Hopf]

Bruce , its good to hear that the carb things are working out for you, I rebuild a lot of them and know some of them inside out but on occasion I have to remove and reset the odd one that will not perform up to my expectations.
I know what you mean about adapting our working habits as I am getting older I don`t work the way I once did but can still put in a good days work in the woods and still enjoy it the way I always have. If I choose I can work around the big machinery, harvesters,feller bunchers,skidders and porters.I do it once in a while just for fun but I really don`t like the noise and destruction these machines make, they are a fast way to collect wood but I enjoy working with the chainsaws for falling and skid it out to a landing,then cut it up with the big saws,that's the fun part. Loading with the 621 C and hauling with the L8000 dump truck is less fun but necessary to move the wood. I will continue to work with wood as long as I still enjoy doing so and work on the saws when the time and weather allow.
If you ever tire of working with the Macs for every day cutting I recommend using some of the Orange and White saws, they really speed up production and are much less tiring on your body. I work with quite a few of them now and run my Pioneers for fun, the vintage saws are just too slow and heavy for every day cutting.
My friend has improved quite a bit this year and he thinks it has a lot to do with getting out and doing some productive things,one being cutting wood where he pushes himself to step over downed trees and walk on uneven ground. Even picking things up and moving them about improves his balance and mobility, he says he can feel the strength coming back in his legs and back by getting out and working some. I know that I can see a lot of improvement in him myself,he always has a positive outlook,smiles a lot and is a bit proud of his abilities and improvements. All positive,that's my payback.
Pioneerguy600

Hi Jerry.
I was wondering if you could help me out here once again. I'm almost at the point, that I'm going to have to look for a Lighter Chain Saw to cut wood with.
I know where I can get a few of those Chain Saws, in the Colours that you mentioned, that need some work to get them running again. I have no Idea of the weight of some of those Saws. I'm seriously thinking about picking up an 044 that is not running, and try to make a good running Chain Saw with it. I have no idea what it weighs without the Bar.
My Pro Mac weighs 15 LBS without the Bar, and my Pro Mac 700 weighs somewhere around 18 to 21 LBS without the Bar. So if you could give me a rough Idea of the weight of the Chain Saw without the Bar, that would be Great. I really do appreciate the help and advice. Thanks. Bruce.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Bruce I tell you what I will do,I will take a few of my 044`s and weigh them empty without bar and chain, also with full tanks of oil and gas and with 16"-18"and 20" bars and chains on them. I did this a couple of years ago and my memory is not all that sharp on what each weighed but I remember a weight of 14.4 lb. with tanks full and bar and chain on. Let me do it again and I will record all the info and post it.
I was out today cutting with tow of the most recent rebuilt 044`s and they really run great and cut real fast, my buddy had his Husky 266`s out with me and they have no chance of keeping up with the 044`s even though they are modified. I cut up roughly 5 cords of hardwood off the pile and feel no worse for wear , taking my time I averaged 1 cord per hour and that is a leisurely pace for me.
I will be here to help you with info and tips should you want to pick up a 044 for a rebuild, I would also be more than glad to build one for you and do a few little tricks to it to make it more productive in the same elapse of time ( cut faster with more power and very little vibration). much easier on the body for a work or production saw. IMO
Pioneerguy600

 

[artie__bc]

Running a 28" bar, would you use full comp or skip for the big P series saws? I have a project saw that I am completing, and I need to get a chain for it. My P61 has a 32" bar with skip chain. The other saw is either a P52 or a P 62 (it isn't marked on the data plate on the bottom), and I have a 28" bar, but I haven't bought a chain yet. I think if it runs anything like the other saw, it should easily be able to pull it. However, I would like to get some more input. I figured the Pioneer gurus are here, so I hope to get some great feedback. Thanks in advance.

I have .404" full house chain on the P62 in the top picture above, and it works, but I think I'll switch to skip on it. with a 28" bar it might be easier, especially if you're running 3/8". I assume from your location you're cutting mostly softwood? Here in Coastal BC we generally use skip tooth regardless, especially on 28" & over.

 

[Busmech]

chain for p51 or p62

Either saw should pull a 28 no problem with full comp

 

[USAFretired]

Pioneers in use.

Well, we finally got around to cutting on this 200+ year old Oak between mine and my neighbors house. That's the reason I bought a P42 and P51 pioneer. It gave my son quite a workout the last 2 weekends, but he really enjoyed the saws. He liked the P42 with the 32" bar because it was much lighter than the P51. Hope the pix come out O.K. My neighbor was afraid the tree would fall over on his electric pole or house some time soon so he asked if I would take it down for the wood. He helped pay for the lift also. They paid a guy $3,000.00 about 8 or nine years ago to cut it down this far. They are both in their 90's so I figured I'd do them a favor.

Joe

:greenchainsaw: :greenchainsaw:

 

[WesternSaw]

Hey Joe

Man that is one big tree.What will you use it for,heating,woodworking projects?How was the power from those Pioneers?Glad everything went smoothly and safely
Lawrence

 

[Bruce Hopf]

Bruce I tell you what I will do,I will take a few of my 044`s and weigh them empty without bar and chain, also with full tanks of oil and gas and with 16"-18"and 20" bars and chains on them. I did this a couple of years ago and my memory is not all that sharp on what each weighed but I remember a weight of 14.4 lb. with tanks full and bar and chain on. Let me do it again and I will record all the info and post it.
I was out today cutting with tow of the most recent rebuilt 044`s and they really run great and cut real fast, my buddy had his Husky 266`s out with me and they have no chance of keeping up with the 044`s even though they are modified. I cut up roughly 5 cords of hardwood off the pile and feel no worse for wear , taking my time I averaged 1 cord per hour and that is a leisurely pace for me.
I will be here to help you with info and tips should you want to pick up a 044 for a rebuild, I would also be more than glad to build one for you and do a few little tricks to it to make it more productive in the same elapse of time ( cut faster with more power and very little vibration). much easier on the body for a work or production saw. IMO
Pioneerguy600

Hi Jerry. That Sounds Good to me. I'm hoping that I can get thing worked out here in the mean time, to finish this Order of Fire Wood. I finished Cutting one Order Yesterday, and Started the Second Order at the same time.
The Second Order is going to be delivered first, because it is a lot closer, and pays, the First order I owe the Customer Money, so we traded Fire Wood instead of Money. Worked out good for Both of Us, because he needed the Fire Wood.
Once I get paid for the other Order, I'm going to get them
044's, hopefully I can have them here by the Weekend, to start working on them. I need all the advice I can get on them. I might even plan on getting it Ported, and Muffler Modification as well. This I never heard of until I joined AS in April. Thanks for now. Bruce.

 

[USAFretired]

Man that is one big tree.What will you use it for,heating,woodworking projects?How was the power from those Pioneers?Glad everything went smoothly and safely
Lawrence

That hopefully will be my heat for the winter. My son wants to cut four 3 inch slabs from the base and make some tables out of them. We still have quite a bit to cut yet, hope I get it done before it turns to cold. Man the pioneers were great. Every one that saw us working couldn't believe how fast we could cut with them. They are one awesome saw. I tried to get a P45 on eBay yesterday, but I got outbid. It went for $113.00 + $27.50 sipping. I'm still looking for 1 or 2 more more though. I have some videos I want to put on here but I somehow have to get them under 300kb. When I do, I'll post them.

Joe :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[RENNIE]

1074

Thanks for the heads up, looking fo rparts for my 1074. I also am in the early stages ao:greenchainsaw: of restoring an ECHO 510 evl twin cyl. I cant seem to find any echo posts like the Pioneer post though. Any suggestions & anyone here have experiance with a 510evl? Looking for fed back.
Rennie
:greenchainsaw:

 

[pioneerguy600]

I weighed my 044`s last night and sent Bruce a PM with the info. I will post it here as well even though this is a Pioneer thread I said in a post a couple of nights back that I would do this and here goes. 044 powerhead only empty tanks 13.4 lbs, powerhead 20" bar and chain,empty tanks 15.8 lbs, powerhead b&c with full tanks ready to cut 16.4 lbs. I did not have time to change the bars and chains down to 18" and16" but there would be only little differences with the shorter bars and chains. I almost always use 20" b&c on my 044`s and MS440`s. There that`s done and I hope Bruce gets to read this by the weekend. I really like my Pioneers but they are vintage saws and they deserve their semi retirement, for work and production cutting something more modern is a lot easier on the body. IMO.
Pioneerguy600

 

[Bruce Hopf]

I weighed my 044`s last night and sent Bruce a PM with the info. I will post it here as well even though this is a Pioneer thread I said in a post a couple of nights back that I would do this and here goes. 044 powerhead only empty tanks 13.4 lbs, powerhead 20" bar and chain,empty tanks 15.8 lbs, powerhead b&c with full tanks ready to cut 16.4 lbs. I did not have time to change the bars and chains down to 18" and16" but there would be only little differences with the shorter bars and chains. I almost always use 20" b&c on my 044`s and MS440`s. There that`s done and I hope Bruce gets to read this by the weekend. I really like my Pioneers but they are vintage saws and they deserve their semi retirement, for work and production cutting something more modern is a lot easier on the body. IMO.
Pioneerguy600

Thanks for All You Help, and Advice Jerry. This is the route, I'm going to have take. Running those old Macs for longer than an Hour, is really taking its Toll om my Back.
My lightest Chain Saws other than my Mini Macs, are my Mac 1-10, and my 10-10 Automatics with a 16" Bars and Chain Full of Gas/Mix, and Bar Oil, is 18 LBS. My Pro Mac 60 with a 16" Bar, and full of Gas/Mix, and Bar Oil, is 19 LBS. But here is the Back Killer. My Pro Mac 700, with a 24" Bar, and full of Gas/Mix, and Bar Oil, is 21 LBS.
I have to Agree with you 100 Percent, about these Vintage Saws, they are fun to work with, but if you have to cut a lot of fire wood, you need a faster and especially a lighter Chain Saw, as I'm finding out.
This year I've so far have cut over 75 Face Cord of Fire Wood, with a lot more to go. By the time I'm finished cutting, I'll have well over 100 Face Cords all cut Split, and Piled, by the end of the year.
I also have some to cut that is in 4" Lengths, with the Buss Saw, which is about 5 times faster than even my Pro Mac 60, and 700, which in my opinion are fast saws.
Once I get those 044, tuned up right, they will probably out cut the Pro Mac Saws, which I'm not to concerned with. It's the weight that is being a big issue with me, and my Back. That's what I'm concerned with.
You are not the only one Jerry, that has mentioned that to me, but this time I finally Listened. LOL.
Sorry to you fellas with Pioneers, Jerry and I kind of taken over this Thread, but this will be just Temporary. LOL. Thanks. Bruce.

 

[Bruce Hopf]

I Must Have Made You Pioneer Fellas Mad

I apologize for talking to Jerry, about a Stihl 044 on this Thread. I figured that sometimes that this the quickest way to get Jerry's attention, to ask him a Question, about Chain Saw Related Issues, because I know he frequently visits this Thread.
I'm still learning how to do things on this Web Site, like sending PM's, and trying to receive them. So once again I apologize if I made anyone ticked. I enjoy reading about, and seeing your Chain Saws. I think that a lot of them are really neat, and different to look at, and hear about them. Bruce.

 

[propliner]

Jonesec, The P62's will work nicely with any bar and chain combo. I had a 37" bar at one time (with standard skip chain) and wish I had never sold it. I use a 32" .404 all the time with skip and no skip. Skip chain seems to not bind as much.

An easy way to tell the difference between the P52 and P62 is that the P52 has no auxilliary oiler button on top.

 

[jonesec]

Thanks to all.

Thanks to all who have replied. I guess I do have a P62 since it has an oiler. It is a wierd saw in that the data plate doesn't have a model number on it. I believe the saw is from the transition period when Pioneer was taken over by Poulan. I have finally scrounged enough parts to get it together and try it out. Should be fun.

E. C. Jones

 

[WesternSaw]

Chainsaw attachments!

Hi Pioneer Guy's
I was talking to you guy's about that BrushKing chainsaw attachment that I got and it came coupled to a model#1200 Pioneer chainsaw.Well I aqquired this Pioneer mini catalog that shows eight saws and a description of them as well as specs.The ones featured are the Holiday II, #1200, 2200Series, 3200 Series, #1560, #650, #1770, #1850.Now the thing that caught my eye was the description of the model 1200.I will quote here."If you need a portable source of power,you need a Pioneer 1200.The 1200 gives you fast cutting and easy handling plus optional attachments.You can cut and clear brush,pump water,spray paint or insecticides,drive a belt,tackle a variety of chores".So I was thinking that the BrushKing was mounted new with that model 1200,and it has that Pioneer sticker on the BrushKing shaft.I have talked to a former Pioneer dealer and he thinks he remembers tht Rowco the company that made the BrushKing also made drill attachments and water pump attachments for chainsaws.You all know how this BrushKing thing is killing me trying to find out all I can about it and it's relationship with Pioneer.Obviously from what I quoted here Pioneer made chainsaw attachments also or had Rowco Manufacturing make them for Pioneer.So where the heck is all the info on these things,suck as service manuals /owners manuals,IPL's.There has to be people that know about this issue.Where are all the people that worked in these places in Rowco in Pioneer,and the like.I have I think I contacted no less than 50 plus websites and people regarding this issue with very little leads.I HAVE TO SOLVE THIS THING,I don't think I can do it without help,your help.You guy's have been in this a lot longer than me and have far superior knowledge.Do you guy's know old farmers,farm equipment suppliers,old loggers ANYBODY that can get me this info,You know I'm DESPERATE HERE!You know what I think ,it's a conspiracy!
Thanks Heaps Lawrence PS i just got one item an owners manual for a 660 BrushKing I have the #321 ,So please Keep trying for me!