Stihl MS660 vs Husqvarna 390xp (vid)

[barneyrb]

opcorn: Them's fighting words, rodeo's about to start...

I warned everyone what was gonna happen but NNNNNNNNOOOOOO does anyone ever listen to ole Barn?

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thanks to slinger, this thread brought some lively discussion to AS ,it seemed like the site was getting a little boring or maybe depressed. I try to drop in to catch up 3-4 times a day and see that the posts are starting to drop off. Hard to keep it going when the star gets banned. LOL
Pioneerguy600

 

[belgian]

I warned everyone what was gonna happen but NNNNNNNNOOOOOO does anyone ever listen to ole Barn?

Looks like you lit the fire....:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[SawTroll]

LOLOL, I have to agree with Gypo. BB's initial point was that the wood chosen was maybe not the best choice to make a REAL comparison about both saws inherent performance. Good point imo.

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:agree2: , but then.........:censored:

But he got dwelled by responding on pointless attacks and finally stuck a foot in his mouth by telling his 044 would outperform both saws... sins of the youth I reckon...we all have been there. He'll come by with age....

Roland,

Steaks age at a very predicatable rate.

Most wines age at a very predicatable rate.

People, not so much so.

ole joat

:agree2:

 

[blsnelling]

Since when is 25" wood not sufficient to test a saw in? There's pleny of wood there to put a load on it. No, we don't know which saw will pull the longest bar, but that wasn't the purpose of this demonstration. 15-20 second cuts are more than sufficient to measure the gains of a modded saw.

 

[belgian]

Since when is 25" wood not sufficient to test a saw in? There's pleny of wood there to put a load on it. No, we don't know which saw will pull the longest bar, but that wasn't the purpose of this demonstration. 15-20 second cuts are more than sufficient to measure the gains of a modded saw.

Now before one jumps the bandwagon, let me state first that Slinger's saws and abilities are not at all on stake here, nor questioned. If one looks at the man's logging abilities alone, we all have to be very modest to say the least.

This was a comparison between two modded saws, not a comparison between a stock and a modded saw. Looking at the result, a mere milliseconds difference, on could conclude that both saws are pretty equal in performance in this setup and type of wood. End of story.

Over here, we have pulling shows with belgian horses, dragging a sled with a load over a certain distance, and the load is gradually increased untill the (last) horse stops (and wins).

Now there are horses that pull a certain load faster than other, which may lead you to conclude that one has the more power. Not so. Sometimes the winner is not always the fastest, but just the strongest.

The moral of the story is : to test the ultimate performance of a machine, you have to push it to its limits. The closest you can reach the limit, the more accurate your test will be. I doubt this was the intent of Slinger when he posted that vid, so who gives a hoot. Both are fine saws and run great. It does not proove anything which saw was best or the strongest. Just my 02 cts.

 

[MCW]

Since when is 25" wood not sufficient to test a saw in? There's pleny of wood there to put a load on it. No, we don't know which saw will pull the longest bar, but that wasn't the purpose of this demonstration. 15-20 second cuts are more than sufficient to measure the gains of a modded saw.

I agree Brad. As long as the test wood is consistent it doesn't matter whether it's 18" or 48", the better saw in that sized wood will still be evident.

 

[joatmon]

Now before one jumps the bandwagon, let me state first that Slinger's saws and abilities are not at all on stake here, nor questioned. If one looks at the man's logging abilities alone, we all have to be very modest to say the least.

This was a comparison between two modded saws, not a comparison between a stock and a modded saw. Looking at the result, a mere milliseconds difference, on could conclude that both saws are pretty equal in performance in this setup and type of wood. End of story.

Over here, we have pulling shows with belgian horses, dragging a sled with a load over a certain distance, and the load is gradually increased untill the (last) horse stops (and wins).

Now there are horses that pull a certain load faster than other, which may lead you to conclude that one has the more power. Not so. Sometimes the winner is not always the fastest, but just the strongest.

The moral of the story is : to test the ultimate performance of a machine, you have to push it to its limits. The closest you can reach the limit, the more accurate your test will be. I doubt this was the intent of Slinger when he posted that vid, so who gives a hoot. Both are fine saws and run great. It does not proove anything which saw was best or the strongest. Just my 02 cts.

Roland,

"Shames on you" as ole Tommie would say.

Ultimate performance depends on the purpose of the machine. For most saws, consider that they are designed for a certain type and size of wood. An 880 or 3120 can cut limbs better than a 346 if you keep making the limbs big enough, no?

The 390/660 is for a certain size and type wood. Get larger, and a bigger machine is pulled out.

I believe the video for Jasha was decent sized wood for his cutting situation. He has already stated that when the wood is larger, the 660 may have better relative performance.

Look at it this way. If saw A cuts 25" wood faster that saw B, but saw B cuts 35" wood faster that saw A, and 90%+ of the wood you cut is around 25", which saw has the so called ultimate performance for you?

 

[joatmon]

Off topic

Roland,

On a side note, my grandfather was a teamster. He supported himself, my grandmother and seven children with a team of horses. He actually plowed snow from the steets of his city well into the 60s. He was more cost efficient than other alternatives.

His ability to make a living with his team speaks to itself. And, I never heard him say, "I wish my horses had more ultimate performance" for doing the very heaviest pull imaginable.

My father farmed and also would do tractor pulls occasionally. The pulling tractor was for entertainment, because he didn't use the pulling tractor for everyday farm work.

 

[belgian]

Roland,

"Shames on you" as ole Tommie would say.

I can take it...LOL

Ultimate performance depends on the purpose of the machine. For most saws, consider that they are designed for a certain type and size of wood. An 880 or 3120 can cut limbs better than a 346 if you keep making the limbs big enough, no?

The 390/660 is for a certain size and type wood. Get larger, and a bigger machine is pulled out.

I believe the video for Jasha was decent sized wood for his cutting situation. He has already stated that when the wood is larger, the 660 may have better relative performance.

now you start argueing for the sake of argueing...grrrrr. 25" sure is decent size wood, no doubt about it, even for this size of saw. Why is it "not done" to mention that one would have liked to see a simular test with a longer bar or bigger size wood ????

Look at it this way. If saw A cuts 25" wood faster that saw B, but saw B cuts 35" wood faster that saw A, and 90%+ of the wood you cut is around 25", which saw has the so called ultimate performance for you?

Saw B is definately the stronger saw. That's all I have to say about that ...

 

[belgian]

Roland,

On a side note, my grandfather was a teamster. He supported himself, my grandmother and seven children with a team of horses. He actually plowed snow from the steets of his city well into the 60s. He was more cost efficient than other alternatives.

His ability to make a living with his team speaks to itself. And, I never heard him say, "I wish my horses had more ultimate performance" for doing the very heaviest pull imaginable.

My father farmed and also would do tractor pulls occasionally. The pulling tractor was for entertainment, because he didn't use the pulling tractor for everyday farm work.

But I suppose your dad was not "modding" his horses either. Modded saws are about performance, Joat.

 

[joatmon]

I can take it...LOL



now you start argueing for the sake of argueing...grrrrr. 25" sure is decent size wood, no doubt about it, even for this size of saw. Why is it "not done" to mention that one would have liked to see a simular test with a longer bar or bigger size wood ????



Saw B is definately the stronger saw. That's all I have to say about that ...

Roland,

So, now it's the "strongest saw", but not the "ultimate performance saw".

You're wiggling.

 

[joatmon]

But I suppose your dad was not "modding" his horses either. Modded saws are about performance, Joat.

Roland,

This thread was about a modded work saw. Sure, the Buick v-8 chainsaws from Robert Andrews or like Gary had will cut big.

My point is that the horse winning the pull contest may not be the one you drag from the barn to work. Just like the tractor that wins the pull contest may be left in the barn on work day.

Now, don't make me use an erotic belly dancer example.

 

[belgian]

Roland,

So, now it's the "strongest saw", but not the "ultimate performance saw".

You're wiggling.

Joat, remember the "torque versus power" thread a few months ago. No good is gonna come out of this, I can assure you...LOLOL.

 

[joatmon]

Joat, remember the "torque versus power" thread a few months ago. No good is gonna come out of this, I can assure you...LOLOL.

Roland,

If I can get you back on track, then something truely good can result from this thread.

 

[bigredd]

Was wondering if similar (relative) results would be expected with stock 660 vs 390XP?

Also some recent jabs at BB reminds me of a bunch of spectators antagonizing a gorrilla in a cage. Enough is enough.

 

[BigJ]

not hardly I just don't know where the 94.7 comes from?

Same. Guessing a typo?

 

[Tree Sling'r]

Same. Guessing a typo?

Not even a typo, I just did not back up my thoughts, for some reason I had 94.7 in my head.
That is beside the point for me though, the weight and price difference are more than enough - then you throw in the smoothness factor.

Optimum testing would be me and all the pro fallers I build for running saws in heat, big wood, small wood day in and day out.

Some folks want big giant bars strapped on to little saws, that is not real world, 25" would is more than sufficient. Fallers and loggers don't just go and sink their bars into whatever they please size wise.

A 32" bar is more than sufficient for a 390/660. The biggest trees I have ever cut have been with a 32"

The 390 also limbs quicker, that is a plus in full manufacture. Both saws where modded the same despite being different. My work is basic, machine, widening the exhaust, transfer work onthe upper and lower and intake along with a muffler mod.

I use the same machining numbers, these saws are at the same RPM (within 100-200).

The bottom line, I switched over to Husky after running Stihl for 12 years, that should be enough of an explanation in itself. Good day, thanks for the comments - Jasha.

 

[kevlar]

Not even a typo, I just did not back up my thoughts, for some reason I had 94.7 in my head.
That is beside the point for me though, the weight and price difference are more than enough - then you throw in the smoothness factor.

Optimum testing would be me and all the pro fallers I build for running saws in heat, big wood, small wood day in and day out.

Some folks want big giant bars strapped on to little saws, that is not real world, 25" would is more than sufficient. Fallers and loggers don't just go and sink their bars into whatever they please size wise.

A 32" bar is more than sufficient for a 390/660. The biggest trees I have ever cut have been with a 32"

The 390 also limbs quicker, that is a plus in full manufacture. Both saws where modded the same despite being different. My work is basic, machine, widening the exhaust, transfer work onthe upper and lower and intake along with a muffler mod.

I use the same machining numbers, these saws are at the same RPM (within 100-200).

The bottom line, I switched over to Husky after running Stihl for 12 years, that should be enough of an explanation in itself. Good day, thanks for the comments - Jasha.

Oh well,my favorite vid is still the big fir with the 660.I'm a stihl guy and there is some comfort that the cc's differ by less than 4. I would like to try a 390 though.Thanks Slinger

 

[ropensaddle]

Dang I was really looking forward to this vid, maybe they'll let him back in for a debut performance.

I can tell him my ported saw "thanks Brad" will out do any stock saw made in any size wood.
Heck it would beat his almighty 044 before it was modded but now he can't touch this lmfao.
I am going to put a 36" on my ported 372 and stick it in dead elm that the 36 wont make it through if it will pull it through even if not great it is better than stock agreed?