chainsaws vs. guns

[BIGBORE577]

i may be sounding foolish here, but I have watched my father & gradnfather amaze me everytime they pulled out a rifle. My dad can kill ground squirrels consistantly with an open sighted ruger 10-22 @ 100 yds.. My Grandfather let me kill my first buck with a rifle that I watched with my own eyes him fire 5 rounds, one on top of the other into a silver dollar size target @ 300yds. same gun that I could nail 200 yds consistantly(Bakersfiled CA sunny low wind day). Mind I can ting fence posts @ 25 yds with my vaquero all day.

This is not a gun website, but I will brag on my families abilities to shoot guns cause what I have seen, they are really good at it. . . .

I can't and won't deny what you claim. However, I will say 1/4" at 400 is hard to swallow. Unless of course, it was a one time fluke. That would equate to a 1/16 MOA. Not hardly believable in any ones book, on a regular basis. If so, he should be well renowned as the greatest shooter to have ever inhabited the planet. Much like some sawyers proclaimed possibilities.

 

[brncreeper]

Yes, I have an HS Precision custom take down in 30-378 with a 29" a barrel that can launch 220's@ 3200fps into a 1/4" at a 100 yards. I'll take it over a 50 for what I foresee. Although, I also have a 50 if need be. Don't think I'll need it. The flying fortresses and quad 50's will have taken care of us well before then. I'd rather have the mobility.

If you don't need that 50 just send it my way (only if it's a non bolt action),lolol.
I've shot the Weatherby 30-378 quite a bit never bought one though. For my kind of shooting, the throat erodes too fast. Takes the same powder as the 50 though.

 

[BIGBORE577]

If you don't need that 50 just send it my way (only if it's a non bolt action),lolol.
I've shot the Weatherby 30-378 quite a bit never bought one though. For my kind of shooting, the throat erodes too fast. Takes the same powder as the 50 though.

That's why I use the heavier bullets. Slows things down a bit and cuts back the erosion. The 200 fps+ velocity loss with the heavier bullet makes quite a difference with barrel life. Albeit not like a 30-30. However, for what it is intended to do, it will last long enough.

 

[056kid]

I can't and won't deny what you claim. However, I will say 1/4" at 400 is hard to swallow. Unless of course, it was a one time fluke. That would equate to a 1/16 MOA. Not hardly believable in any ones book, on a regular basis. If so, he should be well renowned as the greatest shooter to have ever inhabited the planet. Much like some sawyers proclaimed possibilities.

How is that, 150 years ago there where women that could shoot tossed coins out of the air.
Now I am just going on what I have seen with my eyes, but 1/4 doesn't seem that unbelievable. I remember, every time we drove to this reservoir that was full of bass & such, Grandpa would slam the car to a halt, shoulder his rifle & kill a heron or two from about 250 yds. He doesn't like them cause they kill fish, I agree. smacking a moving target the size of a bowling pin from 250 is a bit of a chore.


Directed to all you gun freaks, I bet my grandpa posses firearms that some of you fellas would kill to get. He has got some exotic ****. along with some nostalgic ****.




Too bad he hates me for busting up his 044 & killing his "pet" blacktail or i might have had a chance of inheriting some of the glory. o well, the rest of the fam is just gonna sell it. . .

 

[brncreeper]

The gunsmith that built the gun gave me a bunch of wildcat cartridges, and a couple of .50 cases along with some bullets. I have an all brass lathe turned rebated boat tail .50 cal bullet that weighs 781 grains and is 2.625 long. I wonder what the bc is on that one?

The Hornady A-Max is a boat tail 750 grain and it's a 1.05 ballistic coefficient, I'm guessing yours is that or more.
I use this to turn all my brass.

 

[BIGBORE577]

How is that, 150 years ago there where women that could shoot tossed coins out of the air....Grandpa would slam the car to a halt, shoulder his rifle & kill a heron or two from about 250 yds.....

...I bet my grandpa posses firearms that some of you fellas would kill to get. . .

Still not the same as maintaining a 1/16 MOA or a 1/4" at 400 yards.

I'm sure you are correct about what Grandpa has. However, I've been collecting for over 40 years. I'm sure Grandpa would feel the same about what myself and others have collected over the same time frame. You can't have them all and there are many more that others would covet.

 

[056kid]

Still not the same as maintaining a 1/16 MOA or a 1/4" at 400 yards.

I'm sure you are correct about what Grandpa has. However, I've been collecting for over 40 years. I'm sure Grandpa would feel the same about what myself and others have collected over the same time frame. You can't have them all and there are many more that others would covet.

****, now I really am curious, mind im not claiming anything, just what I remember. Its messed up how I am in ill terms with him. Its honestly more than what I previously stated, just nothing I can do about it. .

Any way, ya he has a whole ton and a half of amazing firearms, a few that stick in my memory are a .50 cal that is about as tall as he is & a pair of Wells Fargo revlovers.

 

[dingeryote]

Dedicated Rail rigs struggle to maintain .250" @ 200yds often enough LOL!

I dunno....

I'll bet Gramps can shoot though.

I watched an old timer with a Tooley built sporter, fireforming a few years back. By the 3rd round he had a bug hole going and we started to giggle about it. #4 went into the same Bughole. He stopped everything, loaded up the bench toys and powder measure, and was walking off when I asked about the #5 and the rest of the brass he was forming.
CRAP! I wanted to see a 5 shot bughole while fireforming! LOL!

He looked at me kinda funny and said "I have spent a lifetime trying to get a perfect group, and I ain't done yet".

It kinda stuck with me.

The old Coot was still shooting Sihouette last I heard.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

 

[056kid]

Dedicated Rail rigs struggle to maintain .250" @ 200yds often enough LOL!

I dunno....

I'll bet Gramps can shoot though.

I watched an old timer with a Tooley built sporter, fireforming a few years back. By the 3rd round he had a bug hole going and we started to giggle about it. #4 went into the same Bughole. He stopped everything, loaded up the bench toys and powder measure, and was walking off when I asked about the #5 and the rest of the brass he was forming.
CRAP! I wanted to see a 5 shot bughole while fireforming! LOL!

He looked at me kinda funny and said "I have spent a lifetime trying to get a perfect group, and I ain't done yet".

It kinda stuck with me.

The old Coot was still shooting Sihouette last I heard.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

My Grandfather would never waste his breath saying that to me, but that sounds just like him. . . .

 

[Tzed250]

you guys talking about .250'' groupes @ 100 yds have got to be ####ting me.



my G-pops has 4 dozen 700 BDLs that can shoot dead at 200... mostly 25-06 & 7rem. . .

Ide bet that with him behind the butt, they would average a .250 @ 400 yds, mind thats from the top of a willeys steering wheel . . .

i may be sounding foolish here, but I have watched my father & gradnfather amaze me everytime they pulled out a rifle. My dad can kill ground squirrels consistantly with an open sighted ruger 10-22 @ 100 yds.. My Grandfather let me kill my first buck with a rifle that I watched with my own eyes him fire 5 rounds, one on top of the other into a silver dollar size target @ 300yds. same gun that I could nail 200 yds consistantly(Bakersfiled CA sunny low wind day). Mind I can ting fence posts @ 25 yds with my vaquero all day.

This is not a gun website, but I will brag on my families abilities to shoot guns cause what I have seen, they are really good at it. . . .

5 Shots-300yds

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0.355 inches
Jim McGowin
6/16/2008

LV

0.149 inches
Gary Ocock
4/5/1998

HV

0.291 inches
Brady Knight
8/27/2005


SP


0.247 inches
Robert Dodd
7/17/2004

Your gramps should get into competition, since he can outshoot all of these national record holders. He will look good doing it too, using that 700 against all those $3500 rigs with weeks of R&D in them. I don't know if they will let the Willys on the firing line though...:monkey:
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[rms61moparman]

i may be sounding foolish here, but I have watched my father & gradnfather amaze me everytime they pulled out a rifle. My dad can kill ground squirrels consistantly with an open sighted ruger 10-22 @ 100 yds.. My Grandfather let me kill my first buck with a rifle that I watched with my own eyes him fire 5 rounds, one on top of the other into a silver dollar size target @ 300yds. same gun that I could nail 200 yds consistantly(Bakersfiled CA sunny low wind day). Mind I can ting fence posts @ 25 yds with my vaquero all day.

This is not a gun website, but I will brag on my families abilities to shoot guns cause what I have seen, they are really good at it. . . .

I sure would like to go shootin with them some day.
I'd be willing to pay him a dollar for every chipmunk he kills at 100 yds with an open sighted 10-22........................if you would pay me a quarter for every one he misses!!!


Mike

 

[FATGUY]

I couldn't even see a squirrel at 100 yards.... I'm so blind I'd be lucky to spot a moose.

 

[056kid]

So it sounds like my folks can really shoot. I have no idea if my grandpa has ever done any competition shooting, would not supprize me if he had but I believe its alittle late in his career to start now. i sure miss going out shooting & learning about grass and cows with him though. . .

 

[Tzed250]

So it sounds like my folks can really shoot. I have no idea if my grandpa has ever done any competition shooting, would not supprize me if he had but I believe its alittle late in his career to start now. i sure miss going out shooting & learning about grass and cows with him though. . .

More like bullshoot...


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[2000ssm6]

I couldn't even see a squirrel at 100 yards.... I'm so blind I'd be lucky to spot a moose.

I was about to say the same, LOL.

 

[2000ssm6]

Yes, I have an HS Precision custom take down in 30-378 with a 29" a barrel that can launch 220's@ 3200fps into a 1/4" at a 100 yards. I'll take it over a 50 for what I foresee. Although, I also have a 50 if need be. Don't think I'll need it. The flying fortresses and quad 50's will have taken care of us well before then. I'd rather have the mobility.

Sounds like a sweet rifle! I came real close to getting a Remy 700 MLR .338L not too long ago. The only factor that turned me off was not having the range to justify such a round. My range here at the house is maxed out at 275yds. A .308 would laugh at twice that, much less a .338L. Do you have any experience with the .338L? I don't know why that round gets my blood boiling but it does.

I'm working on some C3 stuff now that will be awesome when the paperwork is approved.

 

[BIGBORE577]

Sounds like a sweet rifle! I came real close to getting a Remy 700 MLR .338L not too long ago. The only factor that turned me off was not having the range to justify such a round. My range here at the house is maxed out at 275yds. A .308 would laugh at twice that, much less a .338L. Do you have any experience with the .338L? I don't know why that round gets my blood boiling but it does.

I'm working on some C3 stuff now that will be awesome when the paperwork is approved.

No, not personally. However, I did order one for my hunting buddy when I still had my FFL. It was a Sako and was a really sweet shooter. I witnessed him take a couple moose over a few seasons with it. As you probably know, a moose usually doesn't know he's really dead, for a while after it happens. Both these big bulls dropped like a stone. One of them was just about ready to mount a cow, excited as all get out. I figured it would take a pound of lead to bring him down in that state. However, I was wrong. Kind of sad and funny at the same time. I might have waited until the bull finished his business but, that's me. Although, the cow gave us a pretty dirty look and hung around to see if he'd get up and still give her some!
Personally, for a heavy hitter, I prefer the .378WBY. I'm really fond of the .375 bore. On several safaris I've been nicknamed the butcher in the regional native tongue. I've never needed more than one shot and the animals rarely take a step. This is true on animals that are notoriously hard to bring down, like Eland. It certainly isn't a meat shooters gun and ruins very large amounts of what would have been good eating. Ergo the butcher moniker.
Several have mentioned that these types of rifle aren't no .50. True, but try lugging a .50 around all day in heavy brush or up and down mountains. Also, in my opinion, stationary long rang sniping of game animals is not exactly sporting.

 

[brncreeper]

.338

Sounds like a sweet rifle! I came real close to getting a Remy 700 MLR .338L not too long ago. The only factor that turned me off was not having the range to justify such a round. My range here at the house is maxed out at 275yds. A .308 would laugh at twice that, much less a .338L. Do you have any experience with the .338L? I don't know why that round gets my blood boiling but it does.

I'm working on some C3 stuff now that will be awesome when the paperwork is approved.

The coefficient of the 338 is high meaning it flies through the air good. The bullet weight is heavy (250 grains) which is good because it shoots a flatter trajectory… in fact the elevation of a .338 250 gr is nearly the same as a 50 BMG 750 gr bullet at one thousand yards. :jawdrop:
Also, a heavier bullet is affected less by wind conditions.
The impact velocity at 1000 yards is excellent on the 338 (about 1640 fps). Ideally you want the point of impact velocity to be higher than the speed of sound because at that speed the bullet becomes unstable.

 

[BIGBORE577]

The coefficient of the 338 is high meaning it flies through the air good. The bullet weight is heavy (250 grains) which is good because it shoots a flatter trajectory… in fact the elevation of a .338 250 gr is nearly the same as a 50 BMG 750 gr bullet at one thousand yards. :jawdrop:
Also, a heavier bullet is affected less by wind conditions.
The impact velocity at 1000 yards is excellent on the 338 (about 1640 fps). Ideally you want the point of impact velocity to be higher than the speed of sound because at that speed the bullet becomes unstable.

You are correct on most counts. However, it's all great on paper. A shooter who knows where his rifle shoots, is far more effective than one that thinks he can shoot where he/she believes he can. That only comes with experience. In effect, someone that can shoot a 30-30 accurately can absolutely out shoot the guy with the monumental ego.
The only reason a bullet becomes unstable in your scenario, is from the transition from sonic to sub-sonic and has minimal affect in hunting situations. Long range target shooting is another thing.
Since most seem to be talking about filling the pot, these points are mostly moot. I've hunted all over the world, the most trophy animals I've seen taken have been with the 30-06. A true magnum by yesterdays standards.
Basically, if you have a big stick and don't know how to use it, it don't mean squat. If you do, more power to you. The proof is in the pudding and figures on paper are just that. Stated here earlier, a guy with an old school silhouette BP gun that can hit his target is far more effective than a guy with his wiz-bomb magnum that can't.

 

[brncreeper]

You are correct on most counts. However, it's all great on paper. A shooter who knows where is rifle shoots, is far more effective than one that thinks he can shoot where he/she believes he can. That only comes with experience. In effect, someone that can shoot a 30-30 accurately can absolutely out shoot the guy with the monumental ego.
The only reason a bullet becomes unstable in your scenario, is from the transition from sonic to sub-sonic and has minimal affect in hunting situations. Long range target shooting is another thing.
Since most seem to be talking about filling the pot, these points are mostly moot. I've hunted all over the world, the most trophy animals I've seen taken have been with the 30-06. A true magnum by yesterdays standards.
Basically, if you have a big stick and don't know how to use it, it don't mean squat. If you do, more power to you. The proof is in the pudding and figures on paper are just that. Stated here earlier, a guy with an old school silhouette BP gun that can hit his target is far more effective than a guy with his wiz-bomb magnum that can't.

It’s ok that you got a flat shooter you’re comfortable hunting with, that’s probably the way I would go too but I don’t hunt much mostly target shoot.
Like you said long range target shooting is a different ballgame. It’s all good.