Pioneer chainsaws

[Lou]

Brian;
On my FarmSaw in that corner is a post, the wire over the post and a sheet nut on top to keep everything in place. The IPL sort of bears that out (wire toward the corner and sheet nut there too) but the wire displayed is is a different shape. I suspect the original went through more forming and someone realized it mattered not to the operation.
Lou

 

[Guido Salvage]

Here is a picture of a P-20 I picked up on Monday.

 

[WesternSaw]

Heh! Guido How you Doin!

Hi Guido,Good to see you on the Pioneer thread! Did you pick that up while working?I take it you have a salvage business,please correct me if I'm wrong.P20's are good old Pioneer saw's.Is the plastic air filter in good shape? Those are the downfall of the small Pseries saws.If you need any help/questions don't hesitate to ask,there are several Gurus on this thread
Lawrence

 

[Guido Salvage]

Hi Guido,Good to see you on the Pioneer thread! Did you pick that up while working?

Actually I am out of work, I had a fellow contact me about it. I acquired the name Guido during my money collection days and one of my employees came up with the name "Guido Salvage" for the office stuff I acquired that no one wanted.

The top cover has a piece out of it and the air cleaner is missing. I tinkered with it the other day but it wouldn't do more than idle. I am getting ready for a big yard sale tomorrow and my father in law is up from Florida, so it will be next week before I can get back to it.

 

[briantutt]

I just got a nice looking P26 and started going through it.
I had the starter off and noticed this wire/stop thing and it didn't look quite right to me where it was.
The starter worked fine but I wonder where this thing is really supposed to sit ?

It goes pretty much 180 degrees from where it is at, just to the right of where you see the rope coming in on your photo.

 

[Lou]

My cover (awp take-up spool); post and sheet nut upper left, starter eyelet lower right.
Lou

 

[WesternSaw]

No Work

Actually I am out of work, I had a fellow contact me about it. I acquired the name Guido during my money collection days and one of my employees came up with the name "Guido Salvage" for the office stuff I acquired that no one wanted.

The top cover has a piece out of it and the air cleaner is missing. I tinkered with it the other day but it wouldn't do more than idle. I am getting ready for a big yard sale tomorrow and my father in law is up from Florida, so it will be next week before I can get back to it.

Sorry to hear your out of work! Hope something comes your way soon!For the time being you can hang out on ArboriStsite,LOL! Thanks for clearing up your name.
Lawrence

 

[Lou]

Brian;
Jerry is probably correct on your saw. The wire moves with the center engagement hub, so rotation must be prevented while allowed to move toward and away from the engine. The wide slot at 01:00 (±) on your picture appears like it would work.
Lou
What about the notch at 04:30? Will it prevent rotation? Is it missing metal at 05:00?

 

[Brian VT]

Pioneer P26

I tried it both ways and either seems to work fine. There are some vertical wear marks in the V-notch you refer to, as if it was there before. Thanks for your thoughts.
Here's the saw. I haven't had a chance to clean it up yet but it's pretty clean. It does need an air filter and a search here suggested they may be hard to come by.
It's got a neat old type of sprocket tip on the bar. It seems to be held in by a grommet-type thing through the center.

 

[briantutt]

You can get the air filter easy enough off ebay. It's the plastic cover on top that is the hard thing to find.

 

[WesternSaw]

BrianVT

I tried it both ways and either seems to work fine. There are some vertical wear marks in the V-notch you refer to, as if it was there before. Thanks for your thoughts.
Here's the saw. I haven't had a chance to clean it up yet but it's pretty clean. It does need an air filter and a search here suggested they may be hard to come by.
It's got a neat old type of sprocket tip on the bar. It seems to be held in by a grommet-type thing through the center.

Briantutt,is right about the plastic filter covers.They come up once and awhile on Ebay,but they want and arm and a leg for them.
Your Pioneer looks great! Hardly any paint gone ,if any at all!
the decal on the filter cover is in great shape and so seems the rest of the decals on the saw.
Congratulations
Lawrence

 

[Denman123a]

Partner 500 chain oiler

I ran my 500 a bit today and found the chain oiler MIA, .... I checked the bar and found the orifices plugged (it can fit either way), so cleared them out. Still no oil getting to the chain. I screwed the adjuster min-max a few times and chain still dry. I can't see an oil path from the adjuster to the chain because of a thin plate that won't come off without pulling the clutch. Is there a common mode of failure for these and easy cure?

 

[Denman123a]

I ran my 500 a bit today and found the chain oiler MIA, .... I checked the bar and found the orifices plugged (it can fit either way), so cleared them out. Still no oil getting to the chain. I screwed the adjuster min-max a few times and chain still dry. I can't see an oil path from the adjuster to the chain because of a thin plate that won't come off without pulling the clutch. Is there a common mode of failure for these and easy cure?

None of our cognicenti weighed in on this one so I had to become more invasive. I hesitated because occasionally when I invade things get damaged. Anyhow I fixed the oiler and kept a photo sequence of it, 1) so I would have a reference on how to reassemble it and 2) in case anyone else gets in this predicament. OILER FIX ...
EDIT: the link puts you on page 2 of the photo sequence. Click page 1 to get the beginning.

 

[belgian]

Ok Pioneer heads, I need your attention for a second....hehe..

Some of you know that I found an P51 a while ago with a bad ignition coil, so I have been keeping my eyes focused on a new coil. On a local craigslist site, I found a "big pioneer" saw for sale so I went to take a look at it.

I found what appeared to be a very nice P60, but when I pulled the starter rope, I felt immediately that nasty, ugly, no good sign of low compression and for sure a cooked piston. But the guy got it started anyhow but you could hear it wouldn't run nicely.

The investment budget totalled 50 euro's, because it had a nice bar and chain and the coil was working...! After inspection at home, I found the piston scored (light, but bad enough) and the flywheel had nearly lost all of its fins....

so what are my options here...Take the coil and toss the P60, or trying to find a new piston for it.. ? The flywheel is still useable I think.

whatcha think ?

 

[Jacob J.]

Finding a piston for the 61 might be a real challenge. I've been looking for a new 61 piston for about a year now with no luck. I know there's dealers somewhere that have them.

You could find a coil easily for the 51 since there are aftermarket versions being made now, since Homelite used the same coil on a couple of their saws (410 maybe?) If you could buy both the coil and the new 61 piston, then you'd have two nice saws?

 

[belgian]

Thanks JJ for your input, but the big key word is "IF" ....like you mentioned. It may take me a few years over here to find the parts I am looking for. The piston is probably the hardest to find....

I know, I know, patience....

PS. do you know where to buy these aftermarket coils for the P51 ?

 

[DroppedP51]

You could find a coil easily for the 51 since there are aftermarket versions being made now, since Homelite used the same coil on a couple of their saws (410 maybe?)

Hi i have a p41 that needs a coil they are imposible to get over here, is there anything else that i can fit or make work , Thanks

 

[DroppedP51]

Ok Pioneer heads, I need your attention for a second....hehe..

Some of you know that I found an P51 a while ago with a bad ignition coil, so I have been keeping my eyes focused on a new coil. On a local craigslist site, I found a "big pioneer" saw for sale so I went to take a look at it.

I found what appeared to be a very nice P60, but when I pulled the starter rope, I felt immediately that nasty, ugly, no good sign of low compression and for sure a cooked piston. But the guy got it started anyhow but you could hear it wouldn't run nicely.

The investment budget totalled 50 euro's, because it had a nice bar and chain and the coil was working...! After inspection at home, I found the piston scored (light, but bad enough) and the flywheel had nearly lost all of its fins....

so what are my options here...Take the coil and toss the P60, or trying to find a new piston for it.. ? The flywheel is still useable I think.

whatcha think ?

crongrats on P61 saw it looks mean

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thanks JJ for your input, but the big key word is "IF" ....like you mentioned. It may take me a few years over here to find the parts I am looking for. The piston is probably the hardest to find....

I know, I know, patience....

PS. do you know where to buy these aftermarket coils for the P51 ?

Well too bad that saw is not on this side of the pond, I know a guy, that could make it run smartly. Use the coil on your P51 for now and keep the 60 around, you never know when something might show up.
Pioneerguy600

 

[WesternSaw]

P35

There's a rumor going around that someone may have found another P35 located in Ontario.Anyone know anything about this?
Lawrence