What you need to burn tires is about 450hp and a manual tranny, I recommend coming off the line at about 6k and side stepping the clutch...good god, I feel like backing the vette out and burning the tires to the rims right now, too bad it is snowing.
Burning Tires?
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Well now, ain't this thread a Big Joke for y'all.
But, did y'all know that in most parts of the US it's perfectly legal to burn tire for heating fuel?
Did y'all know that nearly half the used tires are indeed burned as heating fuel?
Did y'all know that the EPA supports burning tires as heating fuel?
Rather than make a bunch of arguments I'll just copy and paste the pertinent parts of just one EPA publication, and I'll put the link to it at the end if'n you'd like to read the entire (pun intended) publication.
"Tire-Derived Fuel
Scrap tires are used as fuel because of their high heating value. ...is considered a beneficial use - it is better to recover the energy from a tire rather than landfill it. In 2003, 130 million scrap tires were used as fuel (about 45% of all generated)...
Tires can be used as fuel either in shredded form - known as tire-derived fuel (TDF) - or whole, depending on the type of combustion device. Scrap tires are typically used as a supplement to traditional fuels such as coal or wood.
There are several advantages to using tires as fuel:
* Tires produce the same amount of energy as oil and 25% more energy than coal
* The ash residues from TDF may contain a lower heavy metals content than some coals.
* Results in lower NOx emissions when compared to many U.S. coals, particularly the high-sulfur coals.
EPA supports the highest and best practical use of scrap tires in accordance with the waste management hierarchy, in order of preference: reduce, reuse, recycle, waste-to-energy, and disposal in an appropriate facility.
In 2003, more than 290 million scrap tires were generated... ...130 million were reused as tire-derived fuel (TDF)...
Based on over 15 years of experience... ...EPA recognizes that the use of tire-derived fuels is a viable alternative to the use of fossil fuels."
And here's the link if'n you want to read the publication;
http://www.epa.gov/osw/conserve/materials/tires/tdf.htm
By the way, here in Iowa and in many other states it's still acceptable (and legal) to use tires to start brush fires and such.
But, did y'all know that in most parts of the US it's perfectly legal to burn tire for heating fuel?
Did y'all know that nearly half the used tires are indeed burned as heating fuel?
Did y'all know that the EPA supports burning tires as heating fuel?
Rather than make a bunch of arguments I'll just copy and paste the pertinent parts of just one EPA publication, and I'll put the link to it at the end if'n you'd like to read the entire (pun intended) publication.
"Tire-Derived Fuel
Scrap tires are used as fuel because of their high heating value. ...is considered a beneficial use - it is better to recover the energy from a tire rather than landfill it. In 2003, 130 million scrap tires were used as fuel (about 45% of all generated)...
Tires can be used as fuel either in shredded form - known as tire-derived fuel (TDF) - or whole, depending on the type of combustion device. Scrap tires are typically used as a supplement to traditional fuels such as coal or wood.
There are several advantages to using tires as fuel:
* Tires produce the same amount of energy as oil and 25% more energy than coal
* The ash residues from TDF may contain a lower heavy metals content than some coals.
* Results in lower NOx emissions when compared to many U.S. coals, particularly the high-sulfur coals.
EPA supports the highest and best practical use of scrap tires in accordance with the waste management hierarchy, in order of preference: reduce, reuse, recycle, waste-to-energy, and disposal in an appropriate facility.
In 2003, more than 290 million scrap tires were generated... ...130 million were reused as tire-derived fuel (TDF)...
Based on over 15 years of experience... ...EPA recognizes that the use of tire-derived fuels is a viable alternative to the use of fossil fuels."
And here's the link if'n you want to read the publication;
http://www.epa.gov/osw/conserve/materials/tires/tdf.htm
By the way, here in Iowa and in many other states it's still acceptable (and legal) to use tires to start brush fires and such.
mga
wandering
mga
wandering
go ahead...rain on our parade. just when everyone was having fun, you gotta get all serious and stuff.
barnumb
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What about burning plastic? It is made out of oil.
rwbinbc
ArboristSite Operative
There is a guy by Me,within 10 miles. That burns tires but I didn't think it was Cool. I dont know it I want My neighbors burning tires.
carl childers
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tire chart
anyone have a chart for which brand of tires have the most btu's i've heard that firestone burn the best but goodyears split alot better.
anyone have a chart for which brand of tires have the most btu's i've heard that firestone burn the best but goodyears split alot better.
Whew !
Glad I checked in this morning for the latest reccomendations before heading off to stock up on tires, RR ties, old poles with transformers, and of course some playground plastic.
Gotta be ready for the big storm this weekend.....
Glad I checked in this morning for the latest reccomendations before heading off to stock up on tires, RR ties, old poles with transformers, and of course some playground plastic.
Gotta be ready for the big storm this weekend.....
Whitespider,I believe your link is talking about tire burning in an industrial environment, mostly in Cement Kilns. You are talking an environment that has millions of dollars of pollution controls,such as electrostatic precipitators,or bag houses. You will not find these on wood stoves.
Burning tires in a home wood stove,or outside wood burner would be counter productive. There is already many areas that are seeking a ban on OWB and wood stoves,because some people burn trash. Why ad fuel to the fire so to speak. I am guilty of using a tire to start a brush pile on occasion,that is a once in a great while thing and I do it pretty isolated.Burning them in a wood stove of any kind,is just begging to have local ordinances put in place limiting wood stoves period. Why should any person close by have to suffer from the smoke of tires?
mga
wandering
He knows it and we know it. At this point we are just humoring him.
Excuse me while I go throw some old, used vinyl siding in my Jotul.
all my siding is gone....right now i'm working on some old PVC pipe laying around.
deer caucuses burn good too☺ and the smell is o so sweet.
Just make sure the wood has been soaked in used motor oil....
wampum-
Electrostatic Precipitators and Baghouses are just vacuum cleaners on steroids. The are used mainly to clean the dust from the kiln air during the grinding process of the Clinker. They are not used on the exhaust stacks of the furnaces. I grew up in Mason City, Iowa... My Dad worked at the Portland Cement Plant for a while.
TreeCo-
Careful man, your arrogance level is starting show.
Electrostatic Precipitators and Baghouses are just vacuum cleaners on steroids. The are used mainly to clean the dust from the kiln air during the grinding process of the Clinker. They are not used on the exhaust stacks of the furnaces. I grew up in Mason City, Iowa... My Dad worked at the Portland Cement Plant for a while.
TreeCo-
Careful man, your arrogance level is starting show.
hoosier daddy
ArboristSite Operative
Not even close.
Tires are better than oil soaked wood...siding and pvc are even better cause they pool up right before you damp down the stove but our favorite is baby seals after we club them and remove the hide to make coats for the rich...Gotta love the crackel as you toss another on top of the "seal coals". Mighty fine heating there boys.
Tires are better than oil soaked wood...siding and pvc are even better cause they pool up right before you damp down the stove but our favorite is baby seals after we club them and remove the hide to make coats for the rich...Gotta love the crackel as you toss another on top of the "seal coals". Mighty fine heating there boys.
mga
wandering
damn...you got seals in indiana?
we have those damn water buffaloes here in NYS. damn things are all over the place in lakes and ponds and lake ontario is full of them. all they do is snag your fishing lines.
Baby Seals and Water Buffalo would probably be much, much better than tires.
Actually, tires would make a lousy fuel in most any wood stove, or most any homeowner type of burning appliance. Tire rubber can’t be atomized or vaporized (at least not conventionally) so it needs to burn at the solid level. It just wouldn’t be practical, you would need to grind the tire ultra-fine and feed small amounts at a very slow rate to make it work. Even at that it would require massive amounts of oxygen or the stove would run cold (relatively), producing all sorts of soot and crud. Possibly an OWB with a modified draft blower could do it (not sure), but you’d need to devise some way to slowly feed the tire grinds without the rubber melting and plugging the feed system. If you just throw some tire pieces into a typical wood stove the burning rubber will rapidly deplete the oxygen unless you leave the door and flue damper wide open... horribly inefficient and dirty.
Now, modern smokeless gunpowder contains its own oxygenate...
Actually, tires would make a lousy fuel in most any wood stove, or most any homeowner type of burning appliance. Tire rubber can’t be atomized or vaporized (at least not conventionally) so it needs to burn at the solid level. It just wouldn’t be practical, you would need to grind the tire ultra-fine and feed small amounts at a very slow rate to make it work. Even at that it would require massive amounts of oxygen or the stove would run cold (relatively), producing all sorts of soot and crud. Possibly an OWB with a modified draft blower could do it (not sure), but you’d need to devise some way to slowly feed the tire grinds without the rubber melting and plugging the feed system. If you just throw some tire pieces into a typical wood stove the burning rubber will rapidly deplete the oxygen unless you leave the door and flue damper wide open... horribly inefficient and dirty.
Now, modern smokeless gunpowder contains its own oxygenate...
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CrappieKeith
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I used to have a Chevy Nova 2 door 350 3 speed.Had m50's on her and boy could I lay burnt rubber.Of course I'd feathur the clutch and let the blue smoke engulf the car beofre I laid off.Clutch plates and tires got replaced monthly....LOL
Not too many cars beat me racing either.
Sorry Whitespider but you are wrong,I spent 35 years in a cement plant (the last 21 as a Supervisor,responsible for emissions)and we had 3 Precips.,1 for each kiln.Each kiln was 390 feet long,each with a 60 foot chain section in the back to knock down dust and save coal. We burned 6 to 7 tons of coal an hour in each kiln and produced 65 to 70 tons of clinker in each kiln,per hour. Inside of the kiln we reached temperatures of over 3000 degrees. The exhaust gas at the start of the chains averaged 1600 degrees,this was to hot for the precips. So we sprayed in atomized water at the back of the kiln to bring the Temp. down to 400 degrees. so that the precips would not warp.
As far as dust collectors or bag houses,we had 2 finish ball mills for grinding clinker and 3 raw ball mills for grinding stone to be fed to the kilns. The stone was to wet to run through the system so we heated it with a coal furnace drying system. This system was ducked into the separator that separated fines from coarse material. The coarse product went back to the mill for regrinding the fines went to the silos that fed the kilns.The coal smoke Stone dust and heat all ended up in the bag house,so that the air emission quality was with in specs.
If you look at your own link it talks about Cement kilns,pulp mills,electric utilities,and industrial boilers. I could not find anywhere in your link where it said it was OK to burn tires in a residential home wood stove.
This is the last paragraph in your link:
"Based on over 15 years of experience with more than 80 individual facilities, EPA recognizes that the use of tire-derived fuels is a viable alternative to the use of fossil fuels. EPA testing shows that TDF has a higher BTU value than coal. The Agency supports the responsible use of tires in portland cement kilns and other industrial facilities, so long as the candidate facilities: (1) have a tire storage and handling plan; (2) have secured a permit for all applicable state and federal environmental programs; and (3) are in compliance with all the requirements of that permit."
How many homes do you know of that have the permits or are in compliance with the EPA?
We also over the years burnt Insulation plastic from electrical wire and burnable liquids that where known as Hazardous waste. Everything we burned we had to have permits and we had to stay in compliance at all times 24/7 with the EPA. Our computers were monitored constantly and we were fined every time we went out of compliance.We were required to have routine stack burning test and our instruments were constantly calibrated.
In my opinion I do not believe it is legal any where in the USA to burn tires in any home heating appliance. The pollution controls are not there. But if you do not believe me call the EPA and ask them. I have been wrong before and will gladly admit it if you can show any link that the EPA approves tire burning in home wood stoves.(indoor or outdoor)
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