Poulan 3400 counter vibe

[Modifiedmark]

Being the Sachs Dolmar freak that I am,

There seems to be a little more to the relationship between Beaird Poulan and Sachs Dolmar than just some re-labled saws between the two.

I see the influence on both saws, whether it came from Beaird Poulan or Sachs Dolmar I dunno.


So next time Mark grips about the "over engineered German saws", me thinks he needs to take a closer look at his green babies.

Sorry Mo, I have been looking close at all this for a long, long time. Me thinks you need to get off my back.

There was a relationship between SD and BP to relabel some saws for each other that is fact. Poulan at the time was behind in bigger saw development and SD needed help in there small saw department.

Seems it was a benificial relationship for both, and thats a good thing. As for any other relationship between them? I'm all ears, please enlighten us with some facts please. I see no other influence between the two of them. None, nada, zip other then the fact they both have a handle on the back and a bar on the front.

Again, please tell me why you say that! What parts did they share? Thats right none, what designs did they share? Thats right none.

Personally, looking at the time frame from there arrangment, I think SD should have kept selling the relabeled Poulan saws as the small saws they produced for themselves after that, fell short in alot of areas from the Poulan saws. Yes I have had my hands in the small SD saws to make that statement.

In fact one I had I gave away, just couldnt see keeping it when I had better ones here, but thats not saying a SD 105 is bad at all.

 

[Modifiedmark]

SD and BP were in bed together in the '70s.

Remember the vaunted 5500 and 6000?

Vaunted? Yeah Ok.

 

[Modifiedmark]

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Acres states 1979 as the intro date on the 3400,

These weren't too shabby for 1976,

No they were not, damn good ones, but when I stated that I was more thinking American saws or saws that were more then just a myth in the US.

Yeah back then I had heard rumors of SD's, never seen one, as had anyone else I knew back then. They didnt exactly take the US by storm did they? Heck over 30 years later there still struggling and trying.

 

[Eccentric]

Aaron, I'm digging back in my feeble memory from back 35 years ago when I was working at the AC/Poulan dealer.:bang:

Ok, let me try again to explain. with the help of some old Poulan documents. The 306A is listed as discontinued in 1980 but I believe that means that they were only produced and sold as current till 1979. The 3400 is listed as introduced in 1979, but its kinda like new cars, 2013 models coming out in 2012.

I was working at the dealer in this time frame and it seems to me that we couldnt order any more 306's when the 3400's came out. I really think 1979 was the last year for the 306/245 saws and the latest IPL that I can find for them is 1978.

Now back to the bars, I still say they only came with Poulan bars for the span of the 306 and the 3400's first only came with Poulan bars as well. The 3700 was introduced about a year later then the 3400 and I remember those being the first ones that came with the Windsor bars with the S clip. After that alot of the did come with Windsor bars.

As for the IPL you search for, I dont have one for the 306 but I do have one for the 245A showing what you look for. As for your non goverend carb, I dont know about it for sure, never seen a IPL to support that. What is the HS model # of your carb? There were some saws that used a non goverend carb, some of the 200 series and the 361 type saws but again, I wont say yours is not original and at this time unless you bought the saw new or got if from the original owner who can document it, we'll will just have to go with it.

1987 245A IPL

Thanks for the IPL. That one does show the electronic ign setup and the optional front outlet 'temperature limiting' muffler like I have. As for the ungoverned HS carb, I'll snap a shot of it and post up the HS number after I go to the shop today. It's OEM. The saw came from an old shop where it'd been sitting for years.

At least two other members here (IIRC Kostas was one of them) posted up about their late 306A saws with ungoverned HS carbs. One of them (again.....Kostas I think) posted pics of the carb with green paint overspray on it. Definitely not a carb from an early 200 series saw (overspray is the 'wrong' green for that vintage.....and instead matches the 306A).

Here's a couple old pics of my saw with the UXL bar. I'll take better ones (that show the bar # and details of the carb) in a bit.

 

[sachsmo]

No they were not, damn good ones, but when I stated that I was more thinking American saws or saws that were more then just a myth in the US.

Yeah back then I had heard rumors of SD's, never seen one, as had anyone else I knew back then. They didnt exactly take the US by storm did they? Heck over 30 years later there still struggling and trying.

Yeah,

but they are still making saws aren't they?

Remember who is credited for making the first gasoline powered chainsaw?


I ain't got no problems with the Poulans from that time. Good saws, but there is no denying the "genes" they share with Sachs Dolmar.



Does that bother you?

 

[Modifiedmark]

i've seen 4 3400's(including mine) with .325 bars on em and the sprockets matched, 2 have poulan bars on them the rest were probably changed over. i know for a fact mine came with .325 18" on it from the demo fleet then a 20" up until a few years ago when the bar wore out, my buddy changed to a oregon bar (which has the wrong mount) later. then ditched it to me cause it wouldn't oil right(wrong mount hehe). now it wears a proper 3/8's 18" bar. i'll get a pic of the .325 sprocket to show you guys. i always wondered myself because the 3700's i have are both 3/8's and there they are in red clothing and figured if any would have .325 it would be the sears models. you also have to remember it may be my area not a huge logging operation around here, saws are BIG at 60CC you know what i mean.

on the oil it's just preference i guess. with speaking to the dolmar guys over some warrant stuff(5100 cylinders) they all recommended 32:1-40:1 they said 50:1 just wasn't enough for the tolerances in the motors(echo's in house tech's told me the same). i had always run 32:1 so i have stayed there since it was withing the recomendation of the engineers. 50:1 just don't make me feel right especially with a saw that parts are getting harder to get and the tolerances are no where near what they are today. you can run your saws 100:1 makes no difference to me i like me 32:1 and i have never ever burned up a saw, maybe it's how i care for em or maybe it's the extra cushion of 32:1. we will never know cause i'm keeping the mix where it's at.

I wasnt doubting what you told on the .325 just wanted to learn more about what you were talking about. Sounds like it was a regional distributor that changed them over, just for trials or something. I'm more then confident they didnt leave the factory setup like that in regular orders. I remember ordering the first batch of 3400s that were availiable back then, there was no .325 pitch option that I can remember.

I know my dad bought one of the first ones we got in to replace his Super XLA.

I still want to know what bars those saws had on them with .325 as like I have said, I know of no bars in that mount to accept .325 except a hardnose and there were alot of 3400's sold with hardnose bars when they first came out.

As to the oil, your free to run what you want and makes you comfortable. I was just giving info that 50-1 is fine in them as well. ..

 

[hoeyrd2110]

yep shooting the bull....well you guys got me all worked up so i ran out to the shed and into the woods and grabbed the 3400 :hmm3grin2orange:. you'll have to excuse the safety chain as i have been doing some dirty woods work lately and my full chisel is just to fun to ruin. thats some nice frozen rock elm hehe...so much more fun than sitting in the house.
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i got you mark no worries, i'm interested to know about the .325 myself. so poulan doesn't list a .325 sprocket in the IPL?

 

[Modifiedmark]

Yeah,

but they are still making saws aren't they?

Remember who is credited for making the first gasoline powered chainsaw?


I ain't got no problems with the Poulans from that time. Good saws, but there is no denying the "genes" they share with Sachs Dolmar.



Does that bother you?

Please point out those "genes". I dont see any other then what I have already shared. If there were shared "genes", no it would not bother me in the least.

Again, please show what you know. Show the shared designs, construction, or what ever you can grasp for.

 

[Eccentric]

Found it. Was Kostas afterall. Good thing he only has 114 or so posts so far.......

My carb has not any screw like the one you describe.I'll go to check it again and take some pics.


Ok,here are the pics:

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[quote="Modifiedmark, post: 3634631"]Kostas, your right, there is no governor on your carb. Yours is a electronic ign and must be a very late model one. Most of the carbs on the 306/245 were HS-59A or B carbs that did have a governor.

A good rebuild on that carb will probably fix you up.[/QUOTE]

My carb looks just like the one in Kostas' pics.

 

[Modifiedmark]

Thanks for the IPL. That one does show the electronic ign setup and the optional front outlet 'temperature limiting' muffler like I have. As for the ungoverned HS carb, I'll snap a shot of it and post up the HS number after I go to the shop today. It's OEM. The saw came from an old shop where it'd been sitting for years.

At least two other members here (IIRC Kostas was one of them) posted up about their late 306A saws with ungoverned HS carbs. One of them (again.....Kostas I think) posted pics of the carb with green paint overspray on it. Definitely not a carb from an early 200 series saw (overspray is the 'wrong' green for that vintage.....and instead matches the 306A).

Here's a couple old pics of my saw with the UXL bar. I'll take better ones (that show the bar # and details of the carb) in a bit.

Overspray color dont mean anything, the later 361 saws were the regular Poulan Lime Green as well and used that carb.

I have some of the ungoverned carbs here and I think I have seen em on 306's but they were real early ones, like the "thirty-0-six"

Not a big deal either way anyhow.

I know a member here who has one of the original NOS 1 screw muffler kits that you need for that one. PM if you want to know who it is.

 

[sachsmo]

Please point out those "genes". I dont see any other then what I have already shared. If there were shared "genes", no it would not bother me in the least.

Again, please show what you know. Show the shared designs, construction, or what ever you can grasp for.

Just a personal observation there Bro'

Don't be gettin' your tight pink panties in a bunch eh?

 

[Modifiedmark]

Just a personal observation there Bro'

Don't be gettin' your tight pink panties in a bunch eh?

No panties in a bunch no matter the color.

So I was really hoping it wasnt some more of the same "Mo Blowing" that your such a expert at. Seems more of the same blowing from you aint it.

Personal observation.

Just some more of the same old Mo bull####. There is no genes there. No over engineerd designs in the Poulans either.

 

[sachsmo]

Dude,

Just hanging and bench racin'

I don't like to type much y'know?

 

[Eccentric]

I like Poulans. I like some SD saws as well.

 

[graybear13]

I swapped a Remington shotgun and some cash for my new 3400 poulan way back when and it is still running strong. These old saws are super hard to beat. Heavy? You betcha! Grunt? You betcha!

 

[Magnumfloyd]

Will the 3400 pull a 20" bar or is that to much and I've searched for muffler mod pictures and i am having trouble finding them

 

[3000 FPS]

Will the 3400 pull a 20" bar or is that to much and I've searched for muffler mod pictures and i am having trouble finding them

Here is a muffler mod on a craftsman it has the exact same muffler as on a 3400.

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[Magnumfloyd]

So just those two 1" vertical cuts and what size whole in the side and retune the carb

 

[3000 FPS]

So just those two 1" vertical cuts and what size whole in the side and retune the carb

Ok so what I did.
I pulled the baffle out and cut out about half of it away from the top and bottom of it. Leaving the two post that the screws go through in place. I then used a file to debur it so no metal can get back into the engine. The part of the baffle that I cut away I faced towards the front of the muffler. The slit in the side is from a small cut off saw and then opened up with a screw driver. I left the spark arrestor in mine but that is a personal preference. This muffler exits out the back when stock and I welded up all those holes so that it can now only exit the side and front.

I do not believe the front cuts are 1 inch and more like a half inch. The one on the side is close to inch and a quarter.

 

[redunshee]

Dude,

Just hanging and bench racin'

I don't like to type much y'know?

Bro and Dude! Please!