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False crotch....or maybe we could jump the head into the road, or maybe we would have to climb out of the bucket....not sure...but we get 100% of roadside trees down with our 78' aerial lift...we service several municipals and no matter what size the tree they bring us too we get it to the ground.......... an elevator is a wonderful thing


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clearance, as far as I know, pwr co's out here won't normally sleeve wires. Also, I know of no tree service that is non union, and doesn't have a line clearance contract, that is certified to get within 10 feet (min) of wires...

I lost a job last winter to Asplundh. They were able to do the job for 2/3 my bid. It was a 30 degree leaning dead madrona, the tips just reached the plane of the primaries. I would have used the GRCS and Hobbs to work everything back off a high tie in a well placed fir. Much safer with a bucket.

Speaking of scared, that I was in that pine....I also recall a beginner embarrassing episode, over 30 years ago. I had climbed 60 feet up a tall fir, when my saw chain came off. Darrel had the only rope...this must have been before I got my own lifeline....So, I was uncomfortable climbing down, so I convinced him to bring me up a rope. Of course, this was also many years before I used my first throw line and pouch......I think I had to wait till he was out of the tree he was in....
 
diltree said:
False crotch....or maybe we could jump the head into the road,



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No false crotch needed on the easy one.....And on easy conifers, i usually just use cheap half inch line and natural crotch rig the tops. Saves time...or a quick to rig light pulley as the top wouldn't weigh but 100-200 lb.

You'd jump a top 25 feet over wires? This I gotta see!

We have little need for bucket trucks out here, most trees are too tall, or back yard, or limited access. So, I'm not in the market, but an elevator equipped unit would be awesome for sure!
 
If there is a crane involved I think osha requires the Provider to sleeve the wires apon request......Although we are Line Clearance Certified and service a couple municipal light Dept's...we would not use our crane within 10 ft of the wires without them being sleeved...thats just asking for trouble


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Rb...the tops of those pines weigh way more then 100-200 lbs...trust me I run a crane with a load line evrey day.....unless you are natural crotching 5 feet of top
 
diltree said:
Rb...the tops of those pines weigh way more then 100-200 lbs...trust me I run a crane with a load line evrey day.....unless you are natural crotching 5 feet of top

That's you...I take small tops when it makes sense....and the top 15-20 feet of the tighter spot tree would be about that....maybe our faster growing western white is a bit lighter....but those tops are sparse, like the entire canopies of the trees, unlike many dense canopied pine or our douglas fir.
 
on a second look...your right there is no way you are jumping those out...way too far away....so I'm gonna stick with the crane, with the bucket....fastest and safest way, and when you own the equipment the cheapest as well as your of to the next job quick.

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Yikes...where's the fall protection on the bucketeer?

Love the chaps on the fella toting the saw, ready to limb that top.:dizzy:

Course I can't talk, being as I don't wear chaps that often.

We did this 100 foot 40 inch dbh pine in 3 pics--except for the 12 foot habitat snag we left. This was the first job we did with Mike's new 23 ton truck mount..104 feet of reach, not bad.....he's is dirt cheap compared to the big crane companies. Whenever we can get relatively close, he is our man! But we also did a small fir in two picks, that was 70 feet away and between two houses! It was maybe 65 feet tall, and dead, and weighed maybe 2500 lb total.
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Next job that day was a nice black walnut that the customer had tired of, close to the house with limbs way over the roof.

Scott came up to help me, then finished it off while I manned the camera. This was his first time craning, and he didnt take the time to put on his gaffs for the lower part where they were surely needed. We all had a laugh afterwards!
 
The guy without the chaps is an ex-marine recon guy: you try to get him too where chaps......And the guy in the bucket for that pick knows no laws for safety(just jokeing but sometimes i wonder)....hes 69 years old...hes my Dad, and you try to get him to come down and put on climbing gear for one sling...he certainly doesnt listen me...nice pics rb
 
Slyder,

First let me say that these guys are absolutely right - IT'S NOT WORTH GETTING HURT!!!! The way I see it, your biggest problem is not having enough experience and knowledge to recognize the hazards that are right in front of you. If you're a smart guy, you can probably figure out how to solve the problems and get the trees down, but overlooking a problem or danger could flat out kill you. Seriously, you could easily make a mistake that would leave you dead. Think hard about that before deciding to do it yourself. Nobody can judge you well enough over an internet forum to know if you’re capable of doing this or not.

That said, I was in your situation a few years ago. I got the quotes, figured I could find better things to spend the money on, liked the challenge of doing it myself, more tools / toys are always welcome, etc. I think I did just fine, and I continue to do tree work including climbing for family and friends.

It's a tough call by looking at those pictures, but I think you may have options if you decide you want to do it yourself. You're a remodeling contractor, right? Well, I'd say that doesn't look like a $2200 shed, so maybe if you do it yourself and wind up damaging the shed that's not such a big deal. You can fix it yourself and probably for much less than $2200. I don't mean to say that damaging the shed is a legitimate option, just making a point that a DIY'er has a different perspective from a professional tree guy. Now for a reasonable option - can you move the shed? It looks relatively small and appears to be on blocks. Maybe screw a couple 4x4's under it to use as skids, and pull it 15' towards the road. If you can move the shed, the dog cage, and the gas tank, then would it be possible to fell the whole tree parallel to the road or maybe what I'm guessing would be across the dirt driveway and into the side yard? There are a lot of different ways to look at it if your main goal is to get the trees down, learn something new, and have a little fun doing it. (Some folks on this site don't like it when "hacks" like me call fun an objective of tree work, but hey – it’s fun to me.) What are you going to do with the wood? That’s a lot of wood for the average person to dispose of, but maybe you’re going to burn it or have a connection to get rid of it. (Bobcat, dump truck and a place to dump it?) Are the power lines on your side of the road, or the other side of the road? Is that a busier road than it looks, or a rarely traveled road? Warning / stopping drivers should be an absolute must if there’s any chance of something winding up in the road. Safety of everyone around from yourself to people who might wander by should be your biggest concern when trying to figure out how to do something like this yourself. Hire somebody to do it, and it’s all their problem.

If you’re not too far away from northeastern CT, I might be willing to help. If you want to post more pics, I’m sure I’m not the only one who would be willing to keep trying to come up with ideas. Actually, you seem to be getting a friendlier and more constructive response than I’m used to seeing on this site. Maybe somebody will come up with a solution that’s reasonable & safe for you. Could you move the shed and drop them next to the house? How ‘bout a pic from far to better show the height of the trees compared to the house? I’m wondering if your pics are deceiving and making the trees look taller than they are. Pics of potential drop zones? Even if it has to be climbed, moving the shed, dog cage, and gas tank would eliminate the need to do any rigging.

Sorry for the long post, I guess I just wish there was a better way for guys like you and me to find help getting started. Looking back, I consider myself lucky to have survived my self learning process thus far. I may be way out of line here, but I’d guess that some of these professionals feel similarly about the way they learned, and that’s why they’re so tough about giving advice to people who want to do it themselves.

Don
 
Hi

Great post, very well spoken and taken.
I will take a few more pictures tonight and post.
The road behind me is traveled but very rarely, a few residents live on the road. I could put up a few caution cones and it would be fine.
There maybe in the course of one day 15 cars.

As far as moving things not a problem, I have a Bobcat, Backhoe and Dump Truck

The trees I can cut up and give away to the residents as campfire wood, they'd be happier than pigs in you know what.

The only concern would be the propane tank.

Thanks
:cheers:
 
Slyder said:
May I ask how everyone started?
Noboby starts out knowing how to do everything.
When I received prices like this of course I said I'll do it myself.
I am a homeowner that wants to cut my own trees because I have a family to support as well I'm sure some of you have also.
That amount of money I could use for paying my fuel bill for this coming winter.
everyone who got started dragged brush and humped heavy logs including pine before they climbed if they could, then after small prunes and large prunes they would move to removals not hairy ones like your talking about rookie staus is for like 3 years anyway, mass is serious tree state and you got quotes and they sound real, hire a pro and cut up the cheesy lanyard cause thats what will be holding you up, btw have a beer while you watch and think to yourself how precious yourlife is then offer a cold one to da crew
 
Please ask yourself these questions...

If you were paralyzed from the neck down would it be worth $2,200 to get your movement back ????

If you were STONE COLD DEAD , would your wife and kids pay $2,200 to get you back ????

Sure you could MAYBE do it, But what if something happens.

Dude it's just money, don't "F" around. Experienced climbers with many years under their belt DIE frequently in this industry.

One little oversight YOUR DEAD !!!
Why risk it ?
 
bad luck?

Do you have life insurance? If not, get some before you attempt this. If yes, double it NOW!! Then take pictures - we all want to see 'em go down. Hopefully, with you being intact at the end of the process.
 
woodchux said:
Please ask yourself these questions...

If you were STONE COLD DEAD , would your wife and kids pay $2,200 to get you back ????

she might not want him back if he was foolish enough to do this...

and in your first post you mentioned you have nutz... i hope you have surmised from the responses that you are considered big-time nuts, not in possession of big cojones...

just thoughts from a woman...
 
The new pics make them look even easier....maybe only 70-80 feet tall as well. I'm sure you'll get a good deal from newfie, especially if they do it as a down only...whether you move the shed or not....

Stay smart, safe, and rooted to the ground, ya hear!
 

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