Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Being it's OZ, I'd reckon it's Gum.
Falling pics 11/25/09
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I'm a thinking that vid dude had bad shoulders, and couldn't hole the saw up very high, so more lazy than anything... looked like he at least had a clue and wasn't "trying" to make a slopping back cut, just not bothering to make it better. Of course the kerf dutch caused the stall more then anything, and its a damn good thing it wasn't chair prone...
Watched at like 2.5x and it still looked like he needed a sharper chain...
Watched at like 2.5x and it still looked like he needed a sharper chain...
Wannabe123
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He did look up once, but probably to shake sawdust from his ANSI rejected felt safety headgear.
treeslayer2003
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i didn't watch it, prolly missed that point
It's painful to watch.
KenJax Tree
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Just make sure you cut hinge wood off before you sit, you wouldn't want to impale your sphincter.
I fast forwarded it too. I was interested when I saw the stump he walked past at the beginning. It had a slopping back cut. I shouldn't have posted it. I have no skill as a ......faller.
Wayne68
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That video should be used for instructional purposes. Everything NOT to do while attempting to fell a tree
He looked up just before he started cutting, isn't once enough? I think he may have been relying on his buddies, they whistled when it started tipping. The way the branches came off on impact makes me wonder why one didn't come out from the vibration.
You mean the sawtooth stump? More than a sloping backcut, looked like the tip of the bar was down on the faces and the back cut. A corkscrew stump. This one was WAY better than that.
Sure looked like awful fine dust the chain was throwing. I suspect it was some kind of hard, standing dead long enough for most of the bark to peel. Didn't look like it scuffed it much where he was knocking away the little bit of loose bark where he was dogging in. Made his saw bog down enough to stop the chain.
You mean the sawtooth stump? More than a sloping backcut, looked like the tip of the bar was down on the faces and the back cut. A corkscrew stump. This one was WAY better than that.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Gum is super hard stuff.
bnmc98
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I like the belly high stump.... because you know there is no good wood below your belly button and everyone likes a major obstacle course on their land.
I really prefer a nipple high stump, can really get some air off em then...
Skeans
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Got to love a land owner that says cut them that high too
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Been there, they wanted to make it easy to pull them... they still haven't pulled them, been 5-6 years now...
hammerlogging
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maybe eucalyptus.
probably just a farmer helping a neighbor type of thing, not a pro's work.
I don't think he would say he was trying to be. probably never got taught much about timberfalling.
probably just a farmer helping a neighbor type of thing, not a pro's work.
I don't think he would say he was trying to be. probably never got taught much about timberfalling.
I'm sure there are more than two of us on AS that erroneously thought the sloping back cut was safer.
Can't say where it originated but I have seen a lot of it in the south. I can surmise that most chainsaw users don't fall many trees bigger than a plate and they carry their lazy and/or ignorant techniques to larger trees except they throw in a face cut because they seen them on larger trees - then they execute them like the fellow in the video with the straight cut extending past the angle cut resulting in a stall which they remedy by thinning or cutting off the hinge. Now please don't ask me why I would be so bold as to surmise such things.
I am convinced that there are many like me that missed the "hinge thing" some where along the way. Understanding there is such a thing with a real purpose before being killed or maimed was a big advance forward for this tenderfoot.
Dunno. Looking at it with an ignorant eye and no real knowledge of how a tree responds to different cuts they must figure that the slope of the cut will help determine the direction of fall. I guess. I try not to dwell on it.
I do think, though, that if I was going to do something that had the potential to injure or kill me if I did it wrong, I'd study up on techniques first. That's just me. Old guy stuff, ya know.
Not to take away from the old guy stuff, but I believe you likely knew from experience, training or observation that tree falling was dangerous to the faller. As a kid I was taught that logging was dangerous and my observations jived - a chainsaw can kill or maim you, a sawmill can do the same, a load or pile of logs can kill you as well as a pile of sawdust, and a falling tree can kill a bystander if you are not in a clear (20 years later an old logger on our place was killed watching his son fall a tree). When it came to the faller, I was taught that a faller can be killed by limbs from above or a top breaking or other trees that are connected - not a word about poor falling killing the faller. Despite a major barber chair which I ignorantly attributed to a defect in the tree I still didn't appreciate the danger. Perusing Bailey's catalog back in the early 80s which offered Dent's book and other instructional material is what first got my attention that there must be more to it than plowing through. Then a local HO was struck in the head cutting a tree in his backyard. Since then I have tried to correct my casual attitude and ignorance. BTW the HO lived about 20 years in an incoherent state in a nursing home - a reminder that something bad could happen to me as well.
Ron
hammerlogging
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that's cute. nice lecture.
so its not snobbery, its honest and valued critical analysis, eh? of someone who will never know, and might well be damn glad to get some advice rather than being sneered behind his back?
If he was posting as someone trying to teach, maybe, but really? back off.
so its not snobbery, its honest and valued critical analysis, eh? of someone who will never know, and might well be damn glad to get some advice rather than being sneered behind his back?
If he was posting as someone trying to teach, maybe, but really? back off.
I see a lot more honest concern than snobbery. Granted, the way we choose to express ourselves is sometimes lacking in tact and we might focus more on trying to find remedies for poor technique but the underlying message is still very clear. If we see something that's dangerous, whether the exposure to the danger is intentional or not, don't we have the obligation to speak up?
And you're right, the guy cutting that tree will probably never see these posts or read our comments. We're not really doing him any good. But, what about other readers who may or may not know that the techniques the guy used were poor and could have gotten him hurt? I think they have a right to know.
hammerlogging
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Yeah, I know, that's the counterpoint and you are correct.
Its just so easy for people to critique, and it sounds more like a chance to give themselves another little pat on their own back. Not a lot of sport hunting the easy target.
Its just so easy for people to critique, and it sounds more like a chance to give themselves another little pat on their own back. Not a lot of sport hunting the easy target.
Good point and you're right, too.
I'm glad video cameras weren't around when I was learning to fall. The constructive criticism I received was mostly in the form of "WTF was that!!??" and was usually followed by very clear instruction on how to do it right the next time.
