Dolmar 421, Stihl 250/251, 241 or 261

[Michaelmj11]

Here I will be less of a...... here, I'll be more direct.

Are the M-tronic (MS241 MS261 MS661) saws more difficult to "feild" repair than others say the Dolmar 421.

OR more difficult for some just random mechanic to fix?

 

[Franny K]

Some of the mtronic or auto tune saws do have some minor adjustments possible. It gets hard to tell exactly which model some of this is about.

 

[Michaelmj11]

For the love of all that's holy I have no idea why I'm weighing into this.

I earn money with saws, about 1/4-1/3 of my working days. I have a mix of stock, lightly modded and ported saws.

Opinion 1 - there is more in correct chain choice and sharpening than in having a saw ported when it comes to wood on the ground at the end of the day.

Opinion 2 - ported saws are offensive in urban environments - until you start a chipper, then go your hardest.

Opinion 3 - if you end up a long way from fuel, stock or lightly modded saws put more wood on the ground.

Opinion 4 - in steep/difficult work a ported saw means you can carry a smaller saw to run the required bar length.

Opinion 5 - some saws virtually need modifications to get back what the EPA has forced upon them. Anything with a cat in the muffler should be modified irrespective of warranty concerns. Maybe run a tank or two to make sure it's ok, but mod that damn thing straight away.

Opinion 6 - some saws are pretty sweet out of the box, but none that I know of can't be improved. On some saws these improvements force a different set of compromises that don't suit every user.
The 241 is one of these saws, it is incredibly economical and I could take advantage of how long it runs on a tank of fuel. Some modifications have little bearing on a saws fuel economy, some modifications have a big bearing.

Opinion 7 - the worst of the saws being discussed in this thread - the 250/251 will do the job of limbing out blow downs for years and years absolutely stock. I have a husky 445 that is probably a similar quality saw that has done countless hours, worn out several bars and is still earning money.

Opinion 8 - if only my penis was a little longer, my opinions would be facts.

Dude, you need to get paid as a technical manual writer or something.

Thank you.

 

[Michaelmj11]

Some of the mtronic or auto tune saws do have some minor adjustments possible. It gets hard to tell exactly which model some of this is about.

Ahh, sorry for the confusion.

I own a 661, but am contemplating buying (in the M-tronic's line) an MS241 and MS261. There is a 3rd saw under consideration but I KNOW it has to have carb adjustments done.

 

[Franny K]

Ahh, sorry for the confusion.

I own a 661, but am contemplating buying (in the M-tronic's line) an MS241 and MS261. There is a 3rd saw under consideration but I KNOW it has to have carb adjustments done.

I could figure out that much but these conversations wander around. If the third saw is the Dolmar 421 I believe the current models have a fully adjustable low speed circuit and a peg like thing that needs a special socketed tool to do the high speed. No limiters. The owners manuals for the Stihl products are downloadable from Stihl and I have found workshop manuals with google or similar that are free with a bit of work though have not tried for these models.

 

[KG441c]

Ahh, sorry for the confusion.

I own a 661, but am contemplating buying (in the M-tronic's line) an MS241 and MS261. There is a 3rd saw under consideration but I KNOW it has to have carb adjustments done.

The 241 and 261 will operate the same as your 661. No adjustments necessary

 

[Michaelmj11]

Opinion 1 - there is more in correct chain choice and sharpening than in having a saw ported when it comes to wood on the ground at the end of the day.

Is there a thread that you can point to that has a book discussion about Correct Chain/Bar choices?

Or a website that explains why XYZ chain is better for doing one thing, and not another?

 

[weedkilla]

Is there a thread that you can point to that has a book discussion about Correct Chain/Bar choices?

Or a website that explains why XYZ chain is better for doing one thing, and not another?

This may be better answered by someone else. I haven't looked that stuff up in ages.
Id take the advice of someone who cuts in similar conditions locally over anything on the internet though.
Or I can tell you about how I'm setting up a 90cc saw with 404 chipper chain and how I hope you never need to do the same!

 

[Michaelmj11]

This may be better answered by someone else. I haven't looked that stuff up in ages.
Id take the advice of someone who cuts in similar conditions locally over anything on the internet though.
Or I can tell you about how I'm setting up a 90cc saw with 404 chipper chain and how I hope you never need to do the same!

I'm ......... Very respectful...... of my 90cc saws power and chain already. I have no interest in putting a 404 on it.

But here is a....... hopefully..... easy question.

Why don't they make the bars on professional/bigger saw's thinner than the homeowners? I would think that with the same powerhead, a thinner bar/chain would cut faster than a wider bar/chain.

 

[weedkilla]

I'm ......... Very respectful...... of my 90cc saws power and chain already. I have no interest in putting a 404 on it.

But here is a....... hopefully..... easy question.

Why don't they make the bars on professional/bigger saw's thinner than the homeowners? I would think that with the same powerhead, a thinner bar/chain would cut faster than a wider bar/chain.

In a way they often do.

While a 50cc homeowner saw is flat out pulling 18" 325, a pro model does it with ease and can pull a bigger chain if desired. For the power, the pro model is running a thinner chain, for the cc it is the same.

The reason you don't want 404 chipper is its a slow cutting choice that stays pretty sharp in horrible wood. 404 square is just plain fun in soft wood and gets you in trouble when you put your socks in the wash!

 

[7sleeper]

Windthrown I would venture to say you are against ported saws and also 32:1 oil ratio? Are u a 50:1 style guy?

You sure are some arrogant guy, without any respect for other opions. Always trying to appear the nice guy but always the dishonest arrogant underton apperant. And all this stupidity talk about non-engineers being on equal level, where are all the developments done by non engineers? Let's see those pics of the self developed chainsaws, car's, phone's, etc. No doubt there are self taught fellows out there with a very high level of knowlegde, but I heve never heard any such BS, like you are loud mouthing around, from them.

Well it seems like it is time to call you out! Where are all your ported saws? What timing numbers did you use? Why did you use those timing numers and not different one's? Ah yes I forgot you never developed the numbers yourself, you are just copying other's work which they provide to you. But I am still waiting for any videos at all. Where are any detail photos of your work so that other's here can make their own opinion? Come on, you are recomending a bunch of other modders, but are judging over others with an arrogance this is close to spectacular.

To be honest, you are the prime example why I am constantly comming less and less to this site!

I'm out of this prime example of stupidity talk in a thread.

Such devout blind loyalty. Deny it all you want. Randy at least has admitted he has messed up saws. Believe it or not. I also believe that Brad does not really understand what he is doing. He refutes what the engineers that designed these saws say, even when I posted direct information from them here. These modders are not gods, nor are the infallible. I have seen and also run many of their saws (from your list of modders here, as well as others who IMO can port a saw better than most of them can). Some ported saws work well, but some ported saws do not. You want to put them on a pedestal and make such broad sweeping bogus claims that you know what each and every one of them does to the level that you say here, and I say you are completely full of BS, buddy. I would go further to classify you as a complete fool.

But I am used to blind loyalty and the types of people that you typify. I worked in a failure analysis lab in San Diego for 3 years and I saw all kinds of failures result from so-called bullet-proof technology. I am also a multiple degreed engineer with 20 some odd years of experience in design and development of all kinds of products, and I would never, ever make a statement like the one you have made here, with such certainty, about such a broad group of un- or undereducated people. Nothing is ever 100% bud. Nothing. They are not infallible. They are also not restricted by regulations, they have no warranty policy, they have no oversight, and in most cases what they do is illegal. But do not let me stop your illusion of reality, or your devout loyalty to the mod gods. It seems to be a religion to you.

Let it be windthrown, we have a saying here: don't let yourself be pulled in a discussion to the level of the idiot, he will beat you there through his experience.

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[Jeffkrib]

Look i think you guys are missing the point, all saw builders make turds! I'd say on average one a day. Im pretty sure it makes now difference if your a good or bad saw builder either.

 

[KG441c]

You sure are some arrogant guy, without any respect for other opions. Always trying to appear the nice guy but always the dishonest arrogant underton apperant. And all this stupidity talk about non-engineers being on equal level, where are all the developments done by non engineers? Let's see those pics of the self developed chainsaws, car's, phone's, etc. No doubt there are self taught fellows out there with a very high level of knowlegde, but I heve never heard any such BS, like you are loud mouthing around, from them.

Well it seems like it is time to call you out! Where are all your ported saws? What timing numbers did you use? Why did you use those timing numers and not different one's? Ah yes I forgot you never developed the numbers yourself, you are just copying other's work which they provide to you. But I am still waiting for any videos at all. Where are any detail photos of your work so that other's here can make their own opinion? Come on, you are recomending a bunch of other modders, but are judging over others with an arrogance this is close to spectacular.

To be honest, you are the prime example why I am constantly comming less and less to this site!

I'm out of this prime example of stupidity talk in a thread.

Let it be windthrown, we have a saying here: don't let yourself be pulled in a discussion to the level of the idiot, he will beat you there through his experience.

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I dont think so buddy. U r asking me to prove something to u but then u tell windthrown to not be pulled in ? Lol!! I got news for u , the reason no one is left on this site and went to the new site is people like Windthrown. Actually I checked around with several respected memebers and ask about u 2 and actually everyone spoke up for u but ill give u one guess on the one person that no one had one good thing to say about. And for the record I never said myself or the list of porters hadnt made a few saws that wasnt up to par but id venture to say everyone of the guys I listed have names and business to uphold and no they wont let a bad saw go out the door. And no im not a dishonest guy and yes I do try to treat people with respect until my buttons r pushed. Good day fellows

 

[KG441c]

Look i think you guys are missing the point, all saw builders make turds! I'd say on average one a day. Im pretty sure it makes now difference if your a good or bad saw builder either.

I have a question. Do you know Randy Evans or Brad Snelling? Thoso 2 guys have ported very very many saws and know if the saw they ported when they test cut with it responded well? My question is they have a signature sticker on each saw they send out and why would they mess a saw up and put their signature business sticker on it and send it out to get bad feedback? That wouldnt be very good return business ethics?

 

[KG441c]

I see it similar! It is really ruining great communities when people become some kind of fanatics. The cyber attack years ago was nothing compared to what is going on now. This and other forums are practically dead.

A real shame!

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News flash! Including this site!

 

[KG441c]

You sure are some arrogant guy, without any respect for other opions. Always trying to appear the nice guy but always the dishonest arrogant underton apperant. And all this stupidity talk about non-engineers being on equal level, where are all the developments done by non engineers? Let's see those pics of the self developed chainsaws, car's, phone's, etc. No doubt there are self taught fellows out there with a very high level of knowlegde, but I heve never heard any such BS, like you are loud mouthing around, from them.

Well it seems like it is time to call you out! Where are all your ported saws? What timing numbers did you use? Why did you use those timing numers and not different one's? Ah yes I forgot you never developed the numbers yourself, you are just copying other's work which they provide to you. But I am still waiting for any videos at all. Where are any detail photos of your work so that other's here can make their own opinion? Come on, you are recomending a bunch of other modders, but are judging over others with an arrogance this is close to spectacular.

To be honest, you are the prime example why I am constantly comming less and less to this site!

I'm out of this prime example of stupidity talk in a thread.

Let it be windthrown, we have a saying here: don't let yourself be pulled in a discussion to the level of the idiot, he will beat you there through his experience.

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For the record I posted a video earlier in this thread of my buddy John cutting with my ported 241c that was wihin 1 sec of a reputable builders 346xp. The # s r 105/118/74 and not one of the porters I mentioned use thoso #s. The strato was also gutted in the 241 and here is a pic. For reference if u need to copy but i have no intentions to sit here and explain each little detail and why I did it

 

[CoreyB]

I still say the op just needs to go try a 241 and a 421. And just buy which ever he likes best, or from which dealer he likes best. Buying a new saw is a big decision but I don't think it is this big guys.

 

[KenJax Tree]

We just won a bid to trim 12k trees by the end of April. Its all bucket and lift work on side streets so its easy work, i just hope my non-ported muffler modded 421 and 201t/192t with muffler mods and timing advances hold up using 40:1 HP2[emoji1]


#patheticbuddies

 

[Michaelmj11]

We just won a bid to trim 12k trees by the end of April. Its all bucket and lift work on side streets so its easy work, i just hope my non-ported muffler modded 421 and 201t/192t with muffler mods and timing advances hold up using 40:1 HP2[emoji1]


#patheticbuddies

Lol, congratulations. Where abouts is this taking place? Might come watch the 421 in action.

 

[KenJax Tree]

Lol, congratulations. Where abouts is this taking place? Might come watch the 421 in action.

Won't be a whole of 421 action, that was to stir the pot a little. Mostly 201T or 192T they're a lot lighter and easier to (dare i say it) use one handed to cut and throw.


#patheticbuddies