Where did all the loggers go?
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What is the cutoff for time away from the woods before the title goes away? Or is it like the Marine Corps? I haven't been since late 2017. Family needed help.
Am I a real logger?
I've got the time now, & have been offered a deal on everything an old employer has. The price of fuel now pretty much puts that idea to rest for the time being.
There are rules for that, too. For plurals ending with "s", the possessive form adds the apostrophe after the "s". For example, the plural of student is students, and the plural possessive is "students'" The word "its" is one of those exceptions, created to avoid confusion because "It's" is a contraction for "it is".
The reason this forum doesn't have too many "real" loggers is that some members in the past operated this forum like their own private domain. They were elitest, exclusionary, and pretty much drove members that weren't in the club away from joining in. Members that were real loggers but didn't care for that atmosphere didn't hang around. Exclusionary practices like this were also the cause of limited participation in the Commercial Tree Care forum.
The very title of this thread reveals this elitest ideology. Some examples from the past:
Hundred Acre Wood
Full-time Slacker
There's nothing better than a grammar debate in a forestry forum. Can the next discussion be about the correct use of the future perfect tense with respect to Stihl vs Husky saws? e.g. Someday Husky will have made a better saw than Stihl, but that day hasn't happened yet.
Truth! I have heard a lot of that ! There is one in particular that I remember as being the most offensive. Same one that was a Mod here years ago and banned me for the mere mention I had an 038 for sale but I mentioned it not posted it for sale but it was in Political so since this guy had a beef with me he abused his mod powers and banned me for 3 months for nothing but hate!
Fuel prices aren't any worse then they were in 2012-13, and really they will be your biggest bill, but if you play smart it won't be that big of an issue, most of the folks complaining about fuel in machines are the same guys that bring in a 300 class excavator to clear 1/4 acre then run the damned thing at full throttle all day, never shutting it off or even idling down... but hey, thats been my business model for 10 years now, smaller machines, that are easy on fuel... and my fuel bill is usually less then my mortgage (unless the log truck is running... then holey ole fack...)
Not sure its fair to use those quotes of Bob's, when generally those types of comments were used for people that vomited their ignorance as fact, or as a weird backwoods humor that is common among loggers.
Hell they welcomed me with open arms, and plenty of other folks too, but idiots get weeded out because they are dangerous. Most of the topics in this page safety was almost always a concern, or production, when some puffin that has only ever done arborist type work shows up and starts telling folks own to log... well... they get what they deserve
believe me now that I own a self loader, I deal with the "arborista's" way more then I care for, most of them I'm surprised haven't killed themselves or someone else, these are the same idiots that call me, not the mill, when their payday of logs isn't what they think it should of been
I guess loggers are like that. Had a former employer that knew it all. One thing he didn't know was that all three crews that we cut for had confided to me how they didn't know why I wasn't the boss, instead of my employer! Cutting trees is not that hard, I'm not the only one who can do it..
Once you earn your stripes, you've always got your stripes. That's how it works with guys around here.
My point was not that the PNW loggers should be obliged to accept ignorant statements. Nor that kid gloves should be used with the ill informed. My point was that rather than sharing knowledge and experience, this forum habitually drove newbies away until they had proven their "bonafides", regardless of whether they were right or not.
It's not about who knows what. This is a forum where knowledge on various topics is shared. Comradery with folks of a similar occupation can be found. With anyone that wishes to participate.
Excluding people by habit and bickering amongst yourselves is the reason some of the "real loggers" have gone away, and must be considered as a partial reason more of them aren't coming here.
I'll even post a question here, that an outsider from the PNW wouldn't know. Let's see how you "real" loggers respond.
It's not about who knows what. This is a forum where knowledge on various topics is shared. Comradery with folks of a similar occupation can be found. With anyone that wishes to participate.
Excluding people by habit and bickering amongst yourselves is the reason some of the "real loggers" have gone away, and must be considered as a partial reason more of them aren't coming here.
I'll even post a question here, that an outsider from the PNW wouldn't know. Let's see how you "real" loggers respond.
Q: In a different forum, a question was offered as to what kind of hand winching device would be preferred to pull a tree over. I suggested the arborist's favorite toy (GRCS), after another had mentioned a Tirfor. I pointed out that most tree services didn't use wire rope, and someone else chimed in that west coast timber operations preferred wire rope.
So which is it, and why?
(I've got my suspicions, but that isn't my trade)
He's got a d5xl, TJ 380c, TJ450c with an esco 100" and a winch A Prentice 180, & a 325. It's all well used but nothing is sloppy yet. Fuel scares me a lot. I'm gonna have to argue & say that it was indeed a little cheaper in the past. I'm gonna keep selling covered options contracts & collecting premium in the immmediate future. I got into day trading while sitting a lot & surprised myself. Then had to let it go when caretaking became a full time deal. Couldn't deal with Grandma every night till 4am & then get up to ponder the OTC & penny markets an hour later, as I found out.. I can again now though.. That's all boring though unless you're making FU money, $50k a week..
My dream is to have at least 250 acres of what's probably nonexistent old growth, big good timer that I can dozer log & mill on site. I feel like people would be into "boutique" timber or some **** type of selling point appealing to the snobs.. I have yet to find anything remotely fitting to the OG criteria online & have yet to contact anyone. Either way I no havea de money yet.
I see.
better publish a YouTube video of me using a sizwheel on a tree that a regular old straight face would hold.. that seems to be the interweb logger thing to do three days.
I used to piss everyone off,, it was fun.
Even when I was ratted out for falling forest services ponderosa snags. To whoever did it, did you think they were gonna drive a snowmobile up there to bare witness? Hell no.. There are some petty MFs around, but I don't thing Gologit is one of them...
Did you tell on me, Bob?
I can't answer the winch question as the first thing I would do is go for blocks & haywire. I remotely recall an iron ratcheting winch painted red. We used a 1"(?) Bul rope or something similar with a trucker hitch arrangement with a block in it.
Most loggers would say to use an excavator to push it over, but if you had to winch it by hand any form of come-a-long would do. As for cable, yes cable is preferred for skidding and any sort of heavy work, but also most loggers don't regularly have to winch trees over, so you run into ignorance on our side as well. throwing even 1/2" cable 60' up a tree is a total PITA and requires climbing it, where as a big shot and some good 9/16-5/8 stable braid can be pulled up from the ground using a throw ball... attach that to the maasdam puller, you can move the world.
Most loggers have never heard of the Maasdam puller though, so? or a Fiddle block, or zig zag or any of the dozens of progress capturing devices for such purposes...
Not entirely sure its a fair question? Especially since most of the time the old timers here would stay out of such discussions, knowing their limits.
Anyhow My personal preference of winching device is a skidder with a 20k# winch, 3/4 steel cable mainline attached to 9/16 stable braid... becuase i have one and its a lot less work then the Maasdam, which I also have. But then I only winch em over if I can't shove em with the essavator
Of course it is fair. No member should ever drive traffic away from the website. Search my entire history, and you will never find that I scorned anyone's occupation. Nor ever tried to drive them out of a forum. I will defend a member's right to participate in any forum, and I can show you examples of where I have been doing it for at least the last 10 years.
BTW: at least one of those comments was taken from a conversation you and I were on the same side of the argument. Just sayin'.
I should think you would prefer Amsteel. It's much stronger, tougher, and it doesn't stretch like stable braid. Lighter and easier to splice, too!
Whutz "haywire"?
See, this is the kind of question a newbie would post. The only place to get an answer, however, would be in this forum. And... I am really curious.
I would guess baling wire to bind up hay with, but that's probably wrong.
I remember Gologit was even badmouthing the old owners!
Why not ask a question?Whutz "haywire"?
See, this is the kind of question a newbie would post. The only place to get an answer, however, would be in this forum. And... I am really curious.
I would guess baling wire to bind up hay with, but that's probably wrong.
amsteel is hardly as strong as steel cable, its rated working load is considerably lower then cable, and it stretches far more then cable. These are easily demonstrated if you avoid the marketing wank and look at the specs alone.
Not to mention logging isn't dealing with manicured lawns and rope bags with conveinient anti friction surfaces strategically spaced on any possible wear surface, its hard and fast, I would, and have, shredded the synthetic garbage in a day, its easily cut, not abrasion resistant in the slightest, first time a choker slider got hung up or pinched the garbage gets cut or burned, let alone crossing stumps, rocks, sticks and stones, and its more expensive then wire rope. which it being easily spliced is like the only plus side, except I use quick knobs, and can splice an eye in 30 minutes with wire rope. less if I use a Farmers eye (which ironically is stronger then traditional tucked eyes, or even ferule swaged eyes, maintaining full strength of the rope, and usually breaking at they eye rather then the leading end of the splice)
it is lighter though, which i guess is cool if you really need to save your knees or have really cheap tires on your 14000# skidder...
hay wire/straw line, samsies sort of, most abundant wire source on a landing is the Straw line, the 100' lengths of usually 3/8 cable used to "suck" they larger rigging out to the far end of a unit.Whutz "haywire"?
See, this is the kind of question a newbie would post. The only place to get an answer, however, would be in this forum. And... I am really curious.
I would guess baling wire to bind up hay with, but that's probably wrong.
Haywire, being slang for an outfit held together with straw line fixes, usually bits of broken straw line turned into molly Hogan's, or simply tied together, its not a compliment... and usually means the outfit is janky and dangerous.
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