Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[djg james]

The .22 is how my grandpa's family got meat when he was growing up in the northwoods of Wisconsin. They didn't actively poach but would always have a .22 along. His dad would shoot a deer, throw it in the trunk and the whole family would help get it butchered and canned that night. There'd be no evidence by the time the sun came up.

Ahhh...the farmer's cut. The way I was taught to fell trees by my other grandpa. The theory behind it is if it sits back it won't fall backwards. There's also no way to wedge it if it sits back. Thankfully I found you guys and I found the right way.

So the cut did have a purpose. I thought the guy just started hacking away at it.

 

[Lee192233]

So the cut did have a purpose. I thought the guy just started hacking away at it.

Not a good purpose. I believe it was thought up by diy farmers who had no formal training from loggers and didn't have access to info like this forum. If you think about it when the tree sits back on a slanted back cut it's more likely to tip backwards than with a level back cut. Way more dangerous.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I've loaded 30-30 up to .308 pressures... I had no issues with the brass.

How many times?

If I remember right, it's thinner and not designed for high pressures.

SR

 

[sean donato]

Not a good purpose. I believe it was thought up by diy farmers who had no formal training from loggers and didn't have access to info like this forum. If you think about it when the tree sits back on a slanted back cut it's more likely to tip backwards than with a level back cut. Way more dangerous.

Tis the way to back cut from the uninformed... to this day my old man makes a sloping back cut. I never let him fell when I'm around.

 

[sean donato]

Yeah, they're buried. I always start with the passenger side. I'm 6'4" with gangly arms(my coworker's assessment) so it's not terrible for me. The under hood creepers make it a bit easier. They keep you from catching your crotch on the hood latch while you're laying under the hood. Ask me how I know, not a good feeling!

Hope you never have to do a 3v 6.8 with the high thread plugs. I might quit if I ever have to do one of those again!

My brother's 6.8l I think is a 2 valve. It's a 2002. So no I have not had the mis pleasure of the 6.8l. But my dad's 08 5.4l..... let's just say I was ready to pull the heads off. Ended up getting this kit from auto zone. Kinda junky set up, glue this stud in where the electrode sits, pull the porcelain out then reverse tap it to get the plug threaded section out. Told dad never again in a million years will I change plugs in his truck.

 

[Sawdust Man]

How many times?

If I remember right, it's thinner and not designed for high pressures.

SR

We were just testing so no long term knowledge.....but we used the same case for at least a dozen loadings.

In my experience some brands of brass are very weak/ soft, Hornady and Winchester for example. I believe we were using federal brass for our testing, but it may have been starline.

You are right about it being thinner, and it's not "officially" designed for modern pressure..

 

[MustangMike]

That's on my most wanted list too....but man, they're rare as hens teeth.

The 30-30 has more potential than the guns it's usually chambered in can withstand, but that would all change with a No1.

A 30-30 in a 26" barrel (like my Buffalo Bill commemorative) produces 150 more FPS than a 20" barrel, and the Hornady FTX bullets let you shoot a pointed bullet in a tube magazine rifle ... both problems solved, and you don't have to go to a single shot!

 

[Sawdust Man]

A 30-30 in a 26" barrel (like my Buffalo Bill commemorative) produces 150 more FPS than a 20" barrel, and the Hornady FTX bullets let you shoot a pointed bullet in a tube magazine rifle ... both problems solved, and you don't have to go to a single shot!

All true.
I also own a 26" Winchester 94 in 30-30.

To me, it's just interesting to see what a particular cartridge is capable of..... therefore I like the idea of a very strong action for testing the real potential.

 

[svk]

Unfortunately, my stomach can't handle all that grease anymore and I don't eat it as often as I did.

Just a thought; maybe you could do a low fat roux to get the gravy started then use milk instead of cream plus extra corn starch to thicken? I love b+g so it would be hard for me to give up!

 

[chipper1]

Ah...yes. It all depends though doesn't it? I've cut wood over here that has caused a stihl RS chain to end up with a full set of teeth with the corner bent over backwards and carbide chain with cutters just broken off. I think you could go square in some wood here but others you'd be trying to repair the damage after every cut. Semi-chisel only for proper hardwoods.

I've had that with stock hook on 3/8 RS chains here in frozen hardwood. Other than that the stihl RS chains do very well in the hardest hardwoods here.

I'll have to dig a new one out of the box and look at it again when I get home tonight. I distinctly remember commenting on here after I got my first loop, what file I was supposed to use as a std 7/32 file doesn't fit its profile or even close.

Edit: it's square. Found a pic of it in husqys web site.

Its not square on the ones I have or have ran. It's somewhat similar to the results you get with the stihl hexa as the top portion of the hook is straight rather than curved. You can achieve a similar grind by laying the head of a grinder way over(can't remember the angle, it's been a bit), and do it in one step, but you have to watch the depth setting closely as the side of the wheel needs to drop below the working corner around. 080-.120"(guessing by eyeballing it). I like it a lot, and if the hexa cuts anything like it it will be a great selling point for those who visit stihl dealers on a normal basis. My favorite benefit of a square chain is not the speed, but rather how smooth it is, the new x-cut chain is nearly as smooth.

@chipper1 you know, I'm thinking those square x-cut loops I have must be skip tooth, I didn't see any full comp square ground on husqys site. Ill post up picts this evening.

Interesting.

H-83 is square, but only full skip, I have a few loops of 3/8x115DL

So H-83 vs the round C-83.
I'm gonna mount this one up since I broke the seal on the box. Now, to figure out which saw to put it on. I have a 2252 jred that's set up for 3/8, I haven't run in a while, that sounds like a good fit for what I'm cutting currently .

 

[sean donato]

I've had that with stock hook on 3/8 RS chains here in frozen hardwood. Other than that the stihl RS chains do very well in the hardest hardwoods here.

Its not square on the ones I have or have ran. It's somewhat similar to the results you get with the stihl hexa as the top portion of the hook is straight rather than curved. You can achieve a similar grind by laying the head of a grinder way over(can't remember the angle, it's been a bit), and do it in one step, but you have to watch the depth setting closely as the side of the wheel needs to drop below the working corner around. 080-.120"(guessing by eyeballing it). I like it a lot, and if the hexa cuts anything like it it will be a great selling point for those who visit stihl dealers on a normal basis. My favorite benefit of a square chain is not the speed, but rather how smooth it is, the new x-cut chain is nearly as smooth.
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Interesting.

So H-83 vs the round C-83.
I'm gonna mount this one up since I broke the seal on the box. Now, to figure out which saw to put it on. I have a 2252 jred that's set up for 3/8, I haven't run in a while, that sounds like a good fit for what I'm cutting currently .

I'll get pics up when I get home, I hope I still have an original box from those first 2 chains so I can compare to the new unopened x cut I got last year.

 

[Lightning Performance]

Good day.
No time to catch up.
So... good week.
Keep your chin up.

 

[chipper1]

Good day.
No time to catch up.
So... good week.
Keep your chin up.

Chin down and eyes up chap, back to work!

 

[Lee192233]

We were just testing so no long term knowledge.....but we used the same case for at least a dozen loadings.

In my experience some brands of brass are very weak/ soft, Hornady and Winchester for example. I believe we were using federal brass for our testing, but it may have been starline.

You are right about it being thinner, and it's not "officially" designed for modern pressure..

Better hope someone with a Winchester 94 doesn't pick one up and give it a try.

 

[chipper1]

Better hope someone with a Winchester 94 doesn't pick one up and give it a try.

I've watched those videos, they make great content .
But some of the effects aren't the best

 

[Section VIII]

Looks to be a square grind with a shallower gullet and an anti kickback drive link is all. Whats the concept? What are the Advantages? Are they going to offer a grinder to the public that has three different angle dressers on it? You guys think a standard square file is expensive??? Hand files for that style of cutter are going to be outrageous! Also, now you have three angels that must perfectly meet corners instead of two. Have fun with that one!
Looks like a sales gimmick from here! Just say'n.

No thanks. I'll stick with my Silvey custom square tune!

There was a video of a guy comparing the RS to the Hexa and I think the Hexa was maybe a second or two faster?

 

[turnkey4099]

The .22 is how my grandpa's family got meat when he was growing up in the northwoods of Wisconsin. They didn't actively poach but would always have a .22 along. His dad would shoot a deer, throw it in the trunk and the whole family would help get it butchered and canned that night. There'd be no evidence by the time the sun came up.

Ahhh...the farmer's cut. The way I was taught to fell trees by my other grandpa. The theory behind it is if it sits back it won't fall backwards. There's also no way to wedge it if it sits back. Thankfully I found you guys and I found the right way.

Ah but if it does sit baack it can and does fall bbackward. I saw a perfect example of it in the aftermath. Power line down and the cutter paid for the pole and the re-wiring. I had looked at that tree and passed as it obviously was going in the wires.

 

[turnkey4099]

Not a good purpose. I believe it was thought up by diy farmers who had no formal training from loggers and didn't have access to info like this forum. If you think about it when the tree sits back on a slanted back cut it's more likely to tip backwards than with a level back cut. Way more dangerous.

When I first started way back in the 50s I did one thinking that a wedge in the slope would push the tree over better that a wedge in a flat cut. . It didn't...

 

[Kodiak Kid]

I got tracks and tracks and tracks and tracks and
Spaghetti Spaghetti Spaghetti Spaghetti......

 

[Kodiak Kid]

There was a video of a guy comparing the RS to the Hexa and I think the Hexa was maybe a second or two faster?

Oh okay! Nice!