Simonizer
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The MS260 is twice the saw though, hence the substantial price difference.
ms260/ms250
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2000ssm6
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BOY OH BOY, the other half is gonna be pizzed, not only do I want a new dpms panther .223 now after less than a week y'all have convinced me that I need another saw........damn the internet.......
Yep, buy the AR, guns always come first
Sprig
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Yup, as is the ms270, there are a number (including mine) of threads regarding this highly under-rated saw, for 'semi-pro-whatever' mine has been doing a fine job of slaying woodpiles
And Simonizer, nice ta see ya out and about mon!~
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SawTroll
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Yep, buy the AR, guns always come first
Nope, ammo cost more than fuel and oil.......
SawTroll
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Yup, as is the ms270, there are a number (including mine) of threads regarding this highly under-rated saw, for 'semi-pro-whatever' mine has been doing a fine job of slaying woodpiles
And Simonizer, nice ta see ya out and about mon!~
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"Problem" with the 270 is power to weight ratio - way too close to the much stronger 361 in weight - imo.....:greenchainsaw:
2000ssm6
Stihl User
Nope, ammo cost more than fuel and oil.......
Ammo is high but just like gas and oil, it's not going down. Saws may be taking a dump in 2010, but if this world keeps going to hell, guns will too. Better stock up!!!
windthrown
361 Junkie
What's this? The Stihl inquisition?
Long story on this series of saws. The first one (210, AKA: the Saw From Hell) was the topic for several threads on AS over a year ago... those threads were removed and some people were banned as a result, lots of flame wars errupted, and I got AS infraction points for it, yadda yadda. I will not/cannot comment fiurther, or go into any more detail than that.
Basic need here was for smaller lighter saws that are not TH, the GF could use, and good for thinning and limbing. We have 85 acres of tree stands here. Mixed species. We are thinning about 10 acres of oak stands removing all the firs, and thinning another 20 acres of firs, as well as dropping a lot of snags and other trees. I need and use a variety of saws on a daily basis; I try to use the smallest saw I can for arthritis, strain and fatigue. GF also can only handle a saw up to about 40cc. She is a featherweight.
So... I bought the 210 (from Hell) on Ebay, had problems, bought a 250 parts saw to fix it with, 250 was a good runner, fixed it instead, it blew a bearing and the clutch grenaded the case. Bought the 025 near new to replace it, needed a second smaller saw last summer to thin a lot of trees here with. Subsequently bought a 230 with a scored cylinder to fix the 210, and another 025 on Ebay that was cheap becasue the seller did not know what it was. Also got another good 025 engine and body/tank on Ebay for cheap. Have a box of parts for these saws now. Only good thing about them is that the 210/230/250 and 021/023/025 saws all have interchangable parts. I have sold 2 of them on Ebay in various states, have 3 here now. I can strip one blindfolded now I think. Toys, have to be levered, jammed, crammed, eased, shoved, and pressed into place. Weird design. I do not like working on them, I just seemed to have fallen into a 210-saw from Hell trap with them.
For now we are still using them, but I want to replace them, as the more I use them and have to keep fixing them, the less I like about them. They are cheap saws. In my opinion, they really suck. OK? Even the 025 does not drive a .325 bar and chain very well, and I flipped it out to a 3/8 picco LP a few weeks back. The oil pump is a joke, not adjustable, handles are cheap plastic, and the little plastic oil elbow on the bottom of the saw??? Another weak and leaky point. Never mind the jam and shove it together design. They do not tend to stay in tune, and need adjusting a lot. I muffler modded the 210 and it runs better. Only takes a large screwdriver to open the muffler shark gills and then trim the tab off the H screw on the carb and richen it up. Also I use only premium fresh gas, Mobile synthetic oil, and NGK plugs.
I had an 026 that my brother has now. Not too thrilled with it, nearly the price (and weight) of a 361 new, I would much rather have a second 361. Still need a 10 pound saw for trimming, thinning and cutting tops off trees, up to 5 inches in diameter. I have complained on this and other sites that there should be a baby 35cc saw that is built like a 361 for pro use. There is not one that I have found yet. I am hoping that the new Dolmar PS-350 or PS-420 will fill the ticket. Easy starting, 10 pounds, metal engine case, inboard clutch, adjustable oiler, spring mounts for less vibe, light and nimble, and built to last and be used a lot. The 200 and 192 have too much plastic for me. Dolmar 401 oil and gas filler ports are just too small; also has an outboard clutch and single bar nut.
Anyway, that's why I have these saws. No, they are not the best, they sort of fill the need, and I will get rid of them as soon as I can find a replacement set of 35-40cc saws.
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bcorradi
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No I was just curious. I had a feeling all the 025 family of saws you had were some humpty dumpty saws you put together yourself. Yes I do remember that 210 thread you posted a while back. If they are maintained properly and used for their intended use they hold up just fine.
scotclayshooter
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Or longer hours to give you more time to play with guns and saws on the plus the 361 will do those cutting jobs so much faster you will have more time for the guns!
SawTroll
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Looks like the PS-420 is heavier and has less power than the MS250 - but I am sure quality is better.....
Dolmar needs to come out with a 4200S version!! :greenchainsaw:
You could also try to find a nice 242xp or 238se, but they do have outboard clutches.
The ultralight GF probably would like a 339xp.
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Only by you....... :monkey:
I really liked mine, thought it was a fine saw for the money.
OK, I did exaggregate a bit......
No, no, that's how it really is.
This morning there where about 87 025's just laying around on my driveway, people just seem to drop them when they break down. I got tired of picking them up, so I went and borrowed the neighbors snowplow just to push them aside and clear it out. And boy, was I lucky to do so, because then I was also able to clear my road all the way to the mainroad, and I counted to 914 025's although the main road is only 1/2 a mile away.
Later, when I drove to work I could see little girlscouts walking beside the road picking up wasted 250's and putting them in plastic bags. When the bags are full they just leave them by the side of the road and the city sends out trucks to pick up the bags, and then they are sent away for disarmament and destruction.
I hear they are planning to start a new plant somewhere in north Norway, around Troms I think, because Sellafield and Le Havre won't take any more of this junk, they're all busy with just their atomic waste...
I also tried to dispose of my own 250 in a nearby lake, but to my surprise it was instantly rejected, the lake just didn't let it sink, but instead slowly floated it a shore. I guess I have to burn it then, cause that worked well with the witches when they were rejected by the lakes...
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windthrown
361 Junkie
opcorn: opcorn: opcorn: So creative, I could/should have written that myself!
About like my garage storage closet here thiough. One shelf is just 210/025 saws, bars and parts. Littered with them. I was thinking of putting the dead 250 out in the snow... like the Eskimos do with the elderly. Let the turkey vultures pick their carburators out and clean them to the bars.
Of course, maybe disposing of it on Ebay would be more financially rewarding.
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I also tried to dispose of my own 250 in a nearby lake, but to my surprise it was instantly rejected, the lake just didn't let it sink, but instead slowly floated it a shore. I guess I have to burn it then, cause that worked well with the witches when they were rejected by the lakes...
So, the Lady of the Lake tried giving you Excalibur and you didn't recognize it for what it is. LOL. Cute post.
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windthrown
361 Junkie
Yah, and Excalibur wood certainly be a 361! (not a measely 250)
King Arthur and the Sawyers of the Rounds. (coconuts clopping together to make fake horse hoof sounds as the Sawyers of the Rounds head out to do their tree felling and save the relm from evil)
King Arthur and the Sawyers of the Rounds. (coconuts clopping together to make fake horse hoof sounds as the Sawyers of the Rounds head out to do their tree felling and save the relm from evil)
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bcorradi
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Mr. ST has had minimal experience working on a couple of his buddies a while back and found them difficult to work on. I don't find this too suprising, because to my knowledge, ST doesn't do any major mechanical work on his saws.
Windthrown, trying to be conservative, purchased an MS210 part saw on ebay. It was a disaster, so he ended up purchasing more and it snowballed from there. He would have had better luck purchasing one new instead of humpty dumptying them together with saws of 5 different wear levels. In the end it would have saved him a lot of money, headaches, labor, and downtime.
Purchase one of these saws new, maintain it, use it for its intended use, and than let me know what you think of it. I can't personally say how they compare with a comparable husky, echo, dolmar, etc., but I feel they are very formidable saw.
Windthrown, trying to be conservative, purchased an MS210 part saw on ebay. It was a disaster, so he ended up purchasing more and it snowballed from there. He would have had better luck purchasing one new instead of humpty dumptying them together with saws of 5 different wear levels. In the end it would have saved him a lot of money, headaches, labor, and downtime.
Purchase one of these saws new, maintain it, use it for its intended use, and than let me know what you think of it. I can't personally say how they compare with a comparable husky, echo, dolmar, etc., but I feel they are very formidable saw.
2000ssm6
Stihl User
Good post but remember if Troll doesn't have the particular saw model in question, it's crap, LOL. From the few 025s that I have been through, they were no worse than a 029, build wise. Neither are hard to work on. I'm lucky to be able to afford a pro saw(026) but would not have a problem using a 025/250. At least you will have dealer support vs. buying a cheap pos from blowes or the home crapper.
