ponyexpress, thanks for the good info. I bought one today and it's useless. I bought the green one at TSC, noticed it said 18 to 24" but figured it was the right one seeing as it's the only one they sell. Got home and tried it on my Industry Standard ( as per 100's of threads on here) 16" long wood and no go, the dern thing won't grab. Who would sell something that only grips a 18 to 24" piece of wood? Now that I see it, I'm thinking I can shorten the ends abit and it'll work or I'll just make my own a little shorter. They look like a goo idea especially on wet wood.:msp_rolleyes: