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Please remove "Arborist" from you company name. It is misleading and dishonest.
Best method to deal with hollows in trees
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That's an oversimplification of a tree pruning article, written by the world's greatest shrub pruner. Read her work on reducing a rhododendron by drop-crotching, and apply it to reducing a silver maple. Works perfectly, but inexplicably contradicted in the article you mention.
re hollows, even utility arbs know better than to mess with them. if they create a risk, just remove the branch. removing the tree is an overreaction.
Hollows: Beings in Nothingness
Tree hollows are used as nesting sites, shelters and safe refuges for over three hundred species of wildlife throughout Australia. The importance of habitat trees as critical parts of active ecosystems has permeated the entire arboricultural industry down under—all the way to line clearance. “In southeast Queensland, habitat trees are at a premium.” Matthew Palmer, Vegetation Policy Manager of the utility company Energex, reported at the International Society of Arboriculture conference in Parramatta. “Loss of habitat trees has resulted in the loss of the animals dependent upon them. By working in the risk management zone we are working with habitat trees for the first time. In many places the road reserve is the only place where habitat trees remain, as they have been cleared from freehold land. This is also where our powerlines run. In nearly every case the faulty part of the tree can be removed without removing a hollow.”
“Energex practice under VTA (Visual Tree Assessment) will not remove an active hollow no matter the risk.”, Palmer emphasized, bringing to life the company motto, “positive energy”. TheVTA program was based on the work of Claus Mattheck and developed by consulting arborist Cassian Humphreys. “An arborist report assists greatly with communicating with the public.” The program is very long term, and requires continual assessment to ensure objectives are met.” Tree preservation, along with reliable electric service, are objectives that are regularly met, as compromised trees are often scheduled for 10 or 20% reduction, and monitored. Tree-centered, proactive VTA contrasts with defect-centered, reactive TRA, tree risk assessment in the US. Utility arborists there report that “trees that are at an elevated risk of failure are selectively identified and removed or pruned”, in that order. What about reliability, the utilities’ bottom line? “Measures from data show that the right areas are being targeted.” Palmer reports.
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Yup he'll buy 2000.00 worth of tires for the steinbrenner but 14 bucks for a book really tips the scales , you can tell where priorities are ...
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More like how deep the BS gets.
AA, it was thoughtful of you to offer your servcie & use of the steiner......however it would be very impractical as I need to be able to lift logs weighing upwards of 600 to 800 lbs & put them into my dump, I have got the machine that will do such for the job! But I thank you for your offer. btw...golf course has asked me to wait till november as golfing greatly diminishes around then, not to mention they are going to re-do some of the greens!
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The offer stands ...
The advantage of the Steiner is zero turf damage in forwarding material over fairways to your truck and loader. Using the ramps to load the truck is workable, but a hassle compared to just having a more powerful FEL available.
The ramps would be very helpful to bridge creeks or get over retaining walls though if you are presented with that problem.
As far as 600 to 800 lb loads I say that anything over 600 lbs would need to be cut shorter. The Steiner with a 600 lb log in it weighs less than a Dingo light. Consider that when you start wearing ruts in the fairways. Then there is the cart, with that the Steiner can forward more weight in one load than a Dingo can carry.
If you have a better solution for getting the wood out with zero turf damage I'd like to hear about it. I'll even sweeten the deal by charging $40 an hour as measured by the hour meter on the tractor. That's $20 for me and $20 for the tractor.
The advantage of the Steiner is zero turf damage in forwarding material over fairways to your truck and loader. Using the ramps to load the truck is workable, but a hassle compared to just having a more powerful FEL available.
The ramps would be very helpful to bridge creeks or get over retaining walls though if you are presented with that problem.
As far as 600 to 800 lb loads I say that anything over 600 lbs would need to be cut shorter. The Steiner with a 600 lb log in it weighs less than a Dingo light. Consider that when you start wearing ruts in the fairways. Then there is the cart, with that the Steiner can forward more weight in one load than a Dingo can carry.
If you have a better solution for getting the wood out with zero turf damage I'd like to hear about it. I'll even sweeten the deal by charging $40 an hour as measured by the hour meter on the tractor. That's $20 for me and $20 for the tractor.
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Edited for additional insults?
I guess using my full name in an open forum is not insult enough? You are a neurotic sicko Blake if I bother you that much. Why does it have to be so personal you retard?
But you did point out what seems to be a viable solution to turf damage with this smooth track for skid steers. I imagine that the smooth surface helps with when you are actually skid steering with it too.
I guess using my full name in an open forum is not insult enough? You are a neurotic sicko Blake if I bother you that much. Why does it have to be so personal you retard?
But you did point out what seems to be a viable solution to turf damage with this smooth track for skid steers. I imagine that the smooth surface helps with when you are actually skid steering with it too.
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I use my full name with every post. What's the big deal?
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Wonder no more ...
Actually it's been 40 years since I bought my first set of spikes and started climbing trees with professional equipment. 20 years ago I got paid for doing tree work but as a very side and occasional job. Five years ago I got back into tree work by hiring out as a ground man, quickly advanced to rope man and ultimately a climber for three tree services (two as contract work). During this time I started my own business and here I am, four years later, with no major injuries or damage, and what I am most proud of: a universally satisfied extensive customer base. I must be doing something right.
As this topic shows, I am way behind in current practices and procedures and that is why I have come here. I have a lot to learn and I hope I can do some of that learning here.
Actually it's been 40 years since I bought my first set of spikes and started climbing trees with professional equipment. 20 years ago I got paid for doing tree work but as a very side and occasional job. Five years ago I got back into tree work by hiring out as a ground man, quickly advanced to rope man and ultimately a climber for three tree services (two as contract work). During this time I started my own business and here I am, four years later, with no major injuries or damage, and what I am most proud of: a universally satisfied extensive customer base. I must be doing something right.
As this topic shows, I am way behind in current practices and procedures and that is why I have come here. I have a lot to learn and I hope I can do some of that learning here.
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Jeff - YOU made the decision to post your full name here; AA had that decision made FOR him.
And I think I'd also take it personally if someone made that decision for me here.
Whether the fellow has 20 years experience, or 4 years,who the hell cares?
Years of experience is like such a meaningless yardstick of proficiency. Get an ISA Certified Arborist who has 20 years of experience in the tree service industry pruning dwarf apple trees, and ask him to do a technical removal over someone's home. Tell me that 20 years experience, or the CA title will mean didley squat.
And I think I'd also take it personally if someone made that decision for me here.
Whether the fellow has 20 years experience, or 4 years,who the hell cares?
Years of experience is like such a meaningless yardstick of proficiency. Get an ISA Certified Arborist who has 20 years of experience in the tree service industry pruning dwarf apple trees, and ask him to do a technical removal over someone's home. Tell me that 20 years experience, or the CA title will mean didley squat.
Pelorus
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AA - buy a copy of Shigo's "A New Tree Biology".
Loaded with picrues, and easy to follow text. It will stand you in good stead.
"Everybody" know that putting drain tubes into trees to drain wetwood is a poor practice, right?
After all, Shigo discusses this at length in the above book, and I believe him.
In spite of this, a well known radio personality (CBC), and former Chief Horticultural Specialist to "six consecutive Governors General" (from the flyleaf of his book: "Gardening Grief and Glory" recommends doing exactly that. Book was published in 2006. Roughly 2 decades after Shigos came out.
So what gives here? I think ignorance is rampantly bliss, and even the so called "experts" that people look up to, rest on their laurels, and get sloppy with keeping up with recomended practices.
Loaded with picrues, and easy to follow text. It will stand you in good stead.
"Everybody" know that putting drain tubes into trees to drain wetwood is a poor practice, right?
After all, Shigo discusses this at length in the above book, and I believe him.
In spite of this, a well known radio personality (CBC), and former Chief Horticultural Specialist to "six consecutive Governors General" (from the flyleaf of his book: "Gardening Grief and Glory" recommends doing exactly that. Book was published in 2006. Roughly 2 decades after Shigos came out.
So what gives here? I think ignorance is rampantly bliss, and even the so called "experts" that people look up to, rest on their laurels, and get sloppy with keeping up with recomended practices.
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I've made difficult and dangerous a specialty ...
My name is not hard to find, it's on my website, but still, to make it easy for the whackos that haunt the internet (and this forum I suspect) is insulting to say the least. And while my practices might be antiquated and even archaic they seem to be effective. I have not shied away from difficult jobs, I seek them out. Like this one I actually asked for help on. Didn't get it though, so I got a 40' ladder instead and it worked.
My name is not hard to find, it's on my website, but still, to make it easy for the whackos that haunt the internet (and this forum I suspect) is insulting to say the least. And while my practices might be antiquated and even archaic they seem to be effective. I have not shied away from difficult jobs, I seek them out. Like this one I actually asked for help on. Didn't get it though, so I got a 40' ladder instead and it worked.
I wish someone would stuff this cat in a hollow and cement over him.. just saying.
You make no sense, who is gonna ask a guy that trims dwarf apples to do a technical removal?
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Pelorus
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I dunno who, Jeff. But that apple tree pruner is still a "tree guy" AND a "certified arborist", right?
Tell me you don't know of any landscaper/lawn maintenance outfits in your aren't expanding into tree work?
It's always revealing to see when the new Yellow Pages directory comes out in the Spring, who the new guys on the block are.
Tell me you don't know of any landscaper/lawn maintenance outfits in your aren't expanding into tree work?
It's always revealing to see when the new Yellow Pages directory comes out in the Spring, who the new guys on the block are.
Right. That'd be like asking a gay, retired, old computer geek what he thinks would be a decent machine to purchase for doing treework..
But that does not comply with current practices.
Yes, but something tells me even Shigo would let that one slip by.
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