From Bowline to Daisy Chain?

[bikesandcars]

I was watching "Educated Climber's videos on youtube :

He rigs using a daisy chain vs a bowline.

I liked how he used it, I see several advantages to it over the bowline. Not as a total replacement, but it's a cool option.

I'm not an arborist so I don't have a chance to do tree work every day. I never shock loaded a daisy chain, so not sure how easy it unties.

Obviously it can be subject to loosening up unless the tail is tucked back through the last loop.

I started using the daisy like he does around the house for a variety of things and it's very handy.

Any thoughts on how he is using it or how you guys use it?

 

[bikesandcars]

Sorry, this should be in the Arborist 101 forum, can someone move it?

 

[Groundman One]

I was watching "Educated Climber's videos on youtube :

He rigs using a daisy chain vs a bowline.

I liked how he used it, I see several advantages to it over the bowline. Not as a total replacement, but it's a cool option.

I'm not an arborist so I don't have a chance to do tree work every day. I never shock loaded a daisy chain, so not sure how easy it unties.

Obviously it can be subject to loosening up unless the tail is tucked back through the last loop.

I started using the daisy like he does around the house for a variety of things and it's very handy.

Any thoughts on how he is using it or how you guys use it?

I saw that the other day and it kinda freaked me out. But if it works, it works. But then I don't really know if it works. Not sure about blocking big stuff with it. Pretty hard to see the bowline getting replaced.

Being a groundman, I would never, ever, tie off anything crucial with that knot. Not until a the proof is in.

 

[Jed1124]

It works great. Ties easy. More importantly unties easy. Never had it slip or fail in any way.

 

[Groundman One]

It works great. Ties easy. More importantly unties easy. Never had it slip or fail in any way.

Have you used it with heavy loads?

 

[Jed1124]

Have you used it with heavy loads?

Yes, but I’ll admit with silly heavy stuff I’ll go back to a running bow with a half hitch of course.
I forget the Educated Climber guys name but you can check out what he says on his site about the daisy chain hitch and can most likely contact him directly for specific questions about it. I’d prefer not to have someone trust a knot on my word alone.

 

[Groundman One]

Yes, but I’ll admit with silly heavy stuff I’ll go back to a running bow with a half hitch of course.
I forget the Educated Climber guys name but you can check out what he says on his site about the daisy chain hitch and can most likely contact him directly for specific questions about it. I’d prefer not to have someone trust a knot on my word alone.

I showed the daisy chain knot to my climber today, he thought it was interesting. But I don't think we'd use it except for fun on some light stuff.

 

[bikesandcars]

I was wondering: Its a running knot, where can it go? I mean the worst that could happen is it jams or slips a little right? Start small and see?

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[angelo c]

man I just don't see that as "faster" then a bowline...sure is cool looking and Im sure the chicks world dig it....but Faster ?

 

[benjo75]

It works just fine. Under any load too. I've used the running bowline everyday for over 20 years. I tried the daisy chain last summer for a few weeks. Works good and is easy to tie. Never slipped. It cinches just like the running bowline. I went back to the running bowline for no other reason than I subconsciously tie it without thinking. The daisy chain is easier for the groundys to untie especially with gloves on. Always tuck the tail in the last loop. Something could pull it out otherwise.

 

[benjo75]

He breaks the daisy chain at around 9:00 in.

4,835lbs. for the daisy chain.
5,059 lbs. forthe running bowline

This was just a test. Take it as you will.

 

[Groundman One]

He breaks the daisy chain at around 9:00 in.

4,835lbs. for the daisy chain.
5,059 lbs. forthe running bowline

This was just a test. Take it as you will.

Good video. Thanks.

 

[Jed1124]

man I just don't see that as "faster" then a bowline...sure is cool looking and Im sure the chicks world dig it....but Faster ?

Faster to untie. A groundsman that can't break a locked up bowline can really slow down the operation.

 

[lone wolf]

Faster to untie. A groundsman that can't break a locked up bowline can really slow down the operation.

44 years and never needed it.

 

[angelo c]

Faster to untie. A groundsman that can't break a locked up bowline can really slow down the operation.

Im all for #groundieslivesmatter but ANYTHING that keeps a climber in the spikes longer is bad to me. Ground help can be found and trained much faster then a climber....around here anyway.

 

[Groundman One]

Faster to untie. A groundsman that can't break a locked up bowline can really slow down the operation.

A groundman that can't break a bowline is to be fired with extreme horrible painful and justifiable prejudice.

"You... are... fired! Fired! Fired!"

 

[lone wolf]

A groundman that can't break a bowline is to be fired with extreme horrible painful and justifiable prejudice.

"You... are... fired! Fired! Fired!"

Then you have to do it all your self. How about one that cant learn how to tie one?

 

[bikesandcars]

Then you have to do it all your self. How about one that cant learn how to tie one?

Have him tie a Daisy, problem solved

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[benjo75]

It's a rare groundy that can tie the basic 4 or 5 knots that they should be able to tie. In my area anyway. Bowline, running bowline, quick hitch, Alpine butterfly. If I fired everyone that couldn't tie at least the bowline and quick hitch, I would always be alone.

 

[Groundman One]

Then you have to do it all your self. How about one that cant learn how to tie one?

A guy who can't tie a bowline should not be working with a climber.