Husq 460, chain tensioner stuck.

Arborist Forum

Help Support Arborist Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

Sycslim

New Member
Joined
Mar 20, 2018
Messages
2
Reaction score
1
Location
Silver Spring, MD
I've been using chain saws for 50 years and I've never seen this happen. I went to start the saw and the chain was so tight it wouldn't turn. I checked the tensioner and it (the screw) wouldn't turn, even with quite a bit of force. The only thing different that I've been doing is using the saw with my Alaskan Small Log Mill. This is the first time I've used it and it worked like a champ. I did install a ripping chain for cutting the boards. No problems until this. What's going on. I don't want to get a "bigger hammer" unless some experienced people tell me that's what I'm going to have to do. Thanks. SycSlim
 
Only thing I can think of is may not have gotten enough oil. I'd take the saw off the mill, pull the bar, clean the rails with a screw driver, clean out around the adjuster and see if it loosens up. If it does, put it back together and run the chain a little looser than normal. I run my milling chains a little loose, not falling of, just a little looser. I don't run an auxiliary oiler on either of my 36" saws, but I do keep a quart bottle of 10w30 within reach and just slop some on the tip now and then. Make sure if your saw has an oil adjustment it's all the way up. On normal cutting I like to use a full oil tank per fuel tank. Milling I like more than that. My Homelite Super 1050 has thumb and auto oilers. So I constantly pump the thumb oiler. I refuel after every other pass just to make sure I don't run out of fuel in the middle. I'm happy if the oil tank is empty with the fuel 3/4 empty. The Stihl 660 has the pump turned up all the way. More will be along with answers that may be specific to your saw, Joe.

Hey slim, I just looked up and saw you live in SS. My Dad's family settled in Aspen Hill in 1721 and have been doing tree work for 4 generations. If you would like I could come by and see if I see anything specific that you are doing wrong, Joe.
 
Only thing I can think of is may not have gotten enough oil. I'd take the saw off the mill, pull the bar, clean the rails with a screw driver, clean out around the adjuster and see if it loosens up. If it does, put it back together and run the chain a little looser than normal. I run my milling chains a little loose, not falling of, just a little looser. I don't run an auxiliary oiler on either of my 36" saws, but I do keep a quart bottle of 10w30 within reach and just slop some on the tip now and then. Make sure if your saw has an oil adjustment it's all the way up. On normal cutting I like to use a full oil tank per fuel tank. Milling I like more than that. My Homelite Super 1050 has thumb and auto oilers. So I constantly pump the thumb oiler. I refuel after every other pass just to make sure I don't run out of fuel in the middle. I'm happy if the oil tank is empty with the fuel 3/4 empty. The Stihl 660 has the pump turned up all the way. More will be along with answers that may be specific to your saw, Joe.

Hey slim, I just looked up and saw you live in SS. My Dad's family settled in Aspen Hill in 1721 and have been doing tree work for 4 generations. If you would like I could come by and see if I see anything specific that you are doing wrong, Joe.

Wow Joe, that's quite an offer. Thanks but let's wait a few more days; someone may know exactly what has happened
 
Did you run the mill for just long enough so the chain has got hot (it was maybe loose) but the bar has not, and then stopped and tensioned the chain"
If so then
- when the bar expands as it heats up
OR
- the chain contracts when it cools down
Then can easily jam the chain.

This is more of a problem with longer bars and chains - how long is yours?

I start with quite a tight chain, then if I do have to stop and pretension I do it just the minimum amount and wait until the bar has heated up (usually ay the end of slab) before applying correct tension.

At the end of the day I check the chain tension to make sure I have not left the tension too tight
This issue is exacerbated if, the chain is blunt or generating more powder than chips. not enough oil or pushing too hard.

Undo teh bar nuts and pull the chain, something might have got stuck in the groove
 
Bob, I agree that as a chain heats up, the metal expands, so it gets looser. But, I also grew up in the pre auto oiler days. The only time I ever saw a properly tensioned chain seize up was when we got new guys that didn't keep their thumbs pumping oil. Why would it get so tight that it seized, if it stretches? Is it because the bar rails expand too, clamping the drive teeth? Even with modern saws, with a loose chain, if you keep running it till the oil is empty, with no oil it will get tighter and tighter till it seizes. I've seen guys run their chains so when you grip the top of the chain you can't pull it up but a fraction, and it snaps back down, and you can hear it zinging as they run it. When I say I tend to run mine a bit loose, when I grip the top of the chain, about mid way on the bar, with index and thumb, I can pull the chain up till the drive link under my fingers reaches the top of the rail, and it does not snap down like it has tension on it. I've seen guys on other forums here, almost like they are bragging, talk about burning up 2-3 bars a year because they cut so much firewood. I've got bars over 40 years old, that spent most of their lives doing commercial work that never show a sign of over heating. The one thing I hate about trying to diagnose a problem from afar, is what you call a bit tight, and what I call a bit loose, are the exact same thing, and were just confusing each other. Has anyone ever made a tool or gauge that would clip on a chain to measure the proper tightness? I would never use it, because I'm too old to change, and the only time I buy a new bar is if I want a bigger one.

Off topic, hows the health going. I haven't been hanging out here as much as I used to, too many other projects. But I see you are posting quite a bit again and it's a cheer to see you back. To good health and old friends, Joe.
 
Bob, I agree that as a chain heats up, the metal expands, so it gets looser. But, I also grew up in the pre auto oiler days. The only time I ever saw a properly tensioned chain seize up was when we got new guys that didn't keep their thumbs pumping oil. Why would it get so tight that it seized, if it stretches? Is it because the bar rails expand too, clamping the drive teeth?

If the chain is left alone, correctly sharpened, tensioned and oiled it should not get so tight that is seizes.

When the saw is first started and used to cut the first thing that quickly gets hot is the chain which causes it to expand and become loose. The less oil delivered to the chain, the blunter the chain so the more the user hoiks on the saw the quicker the chain heats up.
The bar has more thermal inertia and so does not heat as quickly. It can take a minute or two for the chain to heat up and expand but it can takes 10+ minutes for the bar to reach its max temp.
If the chain is re-tensioned when the chain is hot but the bar is not when the bar catches up in temp the chain can be so tight that it will seem like its bound in the bar groove and it cannot be moved. The problem is even worse if the re-tensioning was snugger than usual.

The same can happen in reverse, If a hot chain is placed on a cold bar when the chain cools down it shrinks and can bind on the saw.
Unlikely I know but might be a problem in colder climates.

These problems I have only seen on bigger bars but it might happen on smaller bars if the chain is over tensioned.
I agree the most likely thing is that the saw ran out of oil or the oil pump is producing too low a flow rate.

The one thing I hate about trying to diagnose a problem from afar, is what you call a bit tight, and what I call a bit loose, are the exact same thing, and were just confusing each other. Has anyone ever made a tool or gauge that would clip on a chain to measure the proper tightness?
I have not see such a device and have thought about making something but like you I don't find tensioning the chain is a problem and it would just be another gismo taking up space in my shop

Off topic, hows the health going. I haven't been hanging out here as much as I used to, too many other projects. But I see you are posting quite a bit again and it's a cheer to see you back. To good health and old friends, Joe.
Health is OK. The doc found a strange ripple on my annual ECG so I was sent off for a heart stress test. This involves wiring you up to an ECG, putting you on a walking machine and you walk fast on a steep slope till your heart beat reaches 160 bpm for 5 minutes while they monitor the heart trace. The strange thing was that the ripple vanished while I was using the running machine. They found nothing significant. The sarcoidosis is still present but there are hints it is on its way down - I don't feel anything associated with this.

The major stress and time consumer for me in these last couple of months has been moving our 90 year old demented mum into an aged care facility that specialises in dementia patients. Mum has been living in an apartment in a sister's new very luxurious house but unfortunately slowly driving my sister nuts. I have 9 siblings, 6 that live locally, so we all pitched in to give carer sister breaks but that was not enough and what mum really needed was specialised care. Mum is physically fit, climbed up and down the stars at my sisters place 20 times a day, and spent up to 8 hours a day outside (often in 100 F heat) in my sisters garden. Amongst many paranoids mum developed, mum became paranoid about her (my sister's) plants not getting enough water, and getting too much sun so she was covering as many of the plants as possible with old rags. It was common to go around to my sisters place and find 3 hoses running with mum inside having a nap. The garden was actually often water logged and mum was running up many $$ in water costs for my sister (Perth gets most of its water from natural gas powered desal). Mum was also was constantly injuring herself in the garden and getting bitten by insects and bugs, including a poisonous white tailed spider, which left two fingers on her left hand partially closed. The other paranoia was that her children were all stealing her "stuff" including my sisters plants. Mum could no longer handle numbers or remember what she ate at her previous meal or even if she had eaten that meal, and would also forget to drink so was always getting ill from this.

Back in Jan my sisters and I visited a number of facilities and signed mum up for 4 of the better ones. We were told to expect a 6 to 12 month wait which we thought would give us enough time to get mum psyched up for the move. However a place came up two weeks ago at a facility that we rated equal best of the 4 we had selected and we had to snap it up while it was going. Of course mum didn't not want to go as she thinks she is perfectly fine. After much avoidance, ranting and raving mainly at my sisters, mum calmed down enough so we were able to take her in two days ago. So far she seems to be OK. This is huge relief to all of us although we recognise there is more to come.
 
I had to take one of those nuclear stress tests a couple years ago, every thing was fine. Every thing else is falling apart. Hurt my back last week, maybe when I was carrying my new Super 1050 and C51 out to the truck. Then I have an umbilical hernia and the Doc wants me to loose 15-20 pounds. My right knee is bone on bone and that Doc wants me to loose 15-20 pounds too. The weather has been so bad I can't walk. Have been doing some wood working but that's pretty sedentary. Can't wait till mowing weather gets here, maybe I can shed a couple pounds then.

Glad to hear you're in pretty good shape.

My Mom had a heart attack at 87 and told the heart Doc she wanted the 5 way bypass. She was still driving and had a younger boyfriend. We all thought she was in good enough shape, and she wanted it, so the Doc said ok. The surgery went well but all the other problems she had, that we didn't know about, started showing up. She wound up in the hospital for 3 months and then got an infection in the surgical area and they couldn't knock it out. She only got to come home for a few days before she passed.

Prayers and best wishes for your Mum, Joe.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top