Ya,don't take these guys too seriously.......gotta have a pretty thick skin to post here.....remember,opinions are like ###holes....everybody's got one.....
i had to post this.....anyone see a problem with the guys in this video
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Ya,don't take these guys too seriously.......gotta have a pretty thick skin to post here.....remember,opinions are like ###holes....everybody's got one.....
Now here's a man on a mission .....Good luck....!!!! :hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:
imagineero
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some sloppy saw work to be sure.
Second guessing, I would have tried to drag it out with the winch. That was a fair size truck. If it didnt have the power, then a sling around any other tree at base, an 8 tonne pulley rigged onto the hangers bas, then back to the winch on the truck for a 2:1. Still slipping? back the truck up to asphalt and use a longer cable.
Failing that, notch the underside, make a falling cut on the high side, wedge, cut through to about 10% holding wood then sling it to fall with the truck.
I've walked away from a couple that were hairier than this because I didn't have the knowledge of how to handle them. Most of the ones I see are rotten and have fallen in winds in a residential setting. THe ground is usually very steep, and typically there is no access at all for a crane, or even a vehicle. Sometimes they are suspended over property or pipes. I sometimes think I might be able to climb another good tree and free them up form the top, but I havent tried. Without winches, trucks or gear I think I might notch the high side to about 1/3 thickness then start a falling cut from the underside, going slow until she starts to open up. Tricky though, because as you chunk it down from the bottom, the tree starts to stand more and more upright. Obviously no chance of getting a rope up top, so what do you do when its standing at an angle of maybe 70 or 80 degrees? I'd love to get more knowledge about this type of removal.
Shaun
Second guessing, I would have tried to drag it out with the winch. That was a fair size truck. If it didnt have the power, then a sling around any other tree at base, an 8 tonne pulley rigged onto the hangers bas, then back to the winch on the truck for a 2:1. Still slipping? back the truck up to asphalt and use a longer cable.
Failing that, notch the underside, make a falling cut on the high side, wedge, cut through to about 10% holding wood then sling it to fall with the truck.
I've walked away from a couple that were hairier than this because I didn't have the knowledge of how to handle them. Most of the ones I see are rotten and have fallen in winds in a residential setting. THe ground is usually very steep, and typically there is no access at all for a crane, or even a vehicle. Sometimes they are suspended over property or pipes. I sometimes think I might be able to climb another good tree and free them up form the top, but I havent tried. Without winches, trucks or gear I think I might notch the high side to about 1/3 thickness then start a falling cut from the underside, going slow until she starts to open up. Tricky though, because as you chunk it down from the bottom, the tree starts to stand more and more upright. Obviously no chance of getting a rope up top, so what do you do when its standing at an angle of maybe 70 or 80 degrees? I'd love to get more knowledge about this type of removal.
Shaun
bitzer
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Hey 2Dogs, I hope you noticed the obnoxious sarcasm in my post. It doesn't always come over the wire well. It just drives me nuts when a guy who has been there many times before tries to offer up some of his knowledge and gets blasted for being a know it all or the "you so-called pros" bs comes out. I know you've done this a hundred times over in big wood and I've had my share as well. There are about a thousand different ways to do it and some safer than others. I guess I've just gotten a little jaded with the bs that can go on in here. I used to try to offer safe decent advice from my personal experience, ah o well. I should probably get serious if I'm going to post like that. The method I described I would use though if had no equipment other than myself and a saw. I've done it that way and several others.
Personally with the equipment they had that butt would have dug in and dragged the truck across the lawn.
Rftreeman
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yeah, good luck with that....I agree with you Josh but please learn to take critical comments about your postings with a grain of salt. Don't leave this site because I need all of the help I can get to steer this group of idiots in the right direction!
Hang in there good buddy.
and some smell like #### too.....
and I guess all you that keep talking about dragging it with the winch missed the part about it moving the truck while they were trying to drag it down......
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Rftreeman
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that's exactly what it did, watch the video I posted....
bitzer
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I just did. There is way too much wood and downward force going on to winch that damn thing.
Even just throwing a wedge in the top (when its off of the stump) would have helped these guys.
bitzer
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2Dogs, re-reading the method you described was not a lot different from what I described (or pictured at least, may have not read as well) other than from the top down on the close side. You've got to chunk it out longer like you said regardless of what they are doing with the wood afterwards. It wouldn't have moved otherwise. Either way, the adrenaline would be pumping. Would I be scared? no, but the heart would definetely be pumpin as it should. There is a lot of wood coming down and if you can finish with the tip and at arms length the farther away you will be. That is why I run longer bars than most around here.
Honestly, keeping tension on the winch while trying to take it off of the stump made me a little nervous. I wouldn't be standing on that side if/when the cable snaps.
Honestly, keeping tension on the winch while trying to take it off of the stump made me a little nervous. I wouldn't be standing on that side if/when the cable snaps.
K7NUT
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bitzer
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They would have to lower you down from some sort of over head boom or helicopter. How else?
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wyndsurfr
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this is the best reply to this post... right here...
those guys were not equipped for that job, they should have passed on it or bid the job with the use of a crane in...
I am not a pro logger, but I know enough to know that. They were lucky, very lucky. and greedy, just greedy. they wanted the logs so they risked more to get them. They wanted the job even though they obviously weren't equipped for it. So their mix of greed and luck worked out ok for them... I hope they never get hurt, but I hope they don't do that again.
I had some horrible leaning white pines, much larger than that tree, at my house. They were about 10 feet from my house and leaning over it at a pretty scary angle. I hired some guys and they looked pretty rough but handled it like pros. I would have paid those guys for what they had done and sent them packing, they should have used a crane, or not been greedy and cut it smaller....
those guys were not equipped for that job, they should have passed on it or bid the job with the use of a crane in...
I am not a pro logger, but I know enough to know that. They were lucky, very lucky. and greedy, just greedy. they wanted the logs so they risked more to get them. They wanted the job even though they obviously weren't equipped for it. So their mix of greed and luck worked out ok for them... I hope they never get hurt, but I hope they don't do that again.
I had some horrible leaning white pines, much larger than that tree, at my house. They were about 10 feet from my house and leaning over it at a pretty scary angle. I hired some guys and they looked pretty rough but handled it like pros. I would have paid those guys for what they had done and sent them packing, they should have used a crane, or not been greedy and cut it smaller....
I'd prefer a balloon, and I'd want to have a BB gun. Some fairy wings and a tu tu would be good also.
You could lift that tree with a big balloon.
Rftreeman
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you had to "hire" someone to do tree work but yet you think you know how it should be done, did the guys you hire use a crane, some people can't do hard stuff hanging over houses and power lines without a crane, there's guys that know how to do it then there guys that hire someone, which one are you.....oh wait, that's right, you had to hire someone.....
D&B Mack
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This guy must have been trying for an insurance claim. Wonder if he is still walking?
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