Identify this tree please?

[keegantimber]

Rather old tree, dead and blown down. Grew with a bowl at the base. About 30 inches in diameter. Thanks for your input.

 

[sand sock]

It's ash. With it laying down you don't see the branch structure. So it's a tad tougher to identify. Lot of good firewood there

 

[Mad Professor]

Yes Ash. Did top die off first? EAB has devastated the ash.

 

[keegantimber]

Not to argue and I appreciate the responses, but I truly don’t think it’s ash. I have taken down at least 30 ash and this is different from my observations. The top did not break off. The bark is remaining on the tree as compared to the other ash I have taken down. There is no trails beneath the bark as the ash borer usually leaves. The wood is much heavier and seems harder to cut. The tree did not have a lot of smaller branches in the canopy like ash have, mostly large branches, and the old wounds healed over different than the other ash I’m used to. Maybe a different type of ash??

 

[sand sock]

Not to argue and I appreciate the responses, but I truly don’t think it’s ash. I have taken down at least 30 ash and this is different from my observations. The top did not break off. The bark is remaining on the tree as compared to the other ash I have taken down. There is no trails beneath the bark as the ash borer usually leaves. The wood is much heavier and seems harder to cut. The tree did not have a lot of smaller branches in the canopy like ash have, mostly large branches, and the old wounds healed over different than the other ash I’m used to. Maybe a different type of ash??

It looks like root rot from wet ground . I've seen 1 woods flood out from plow furrows and saw a little of that. I've found a ash that had bark still, eab just found that one last

 

[keegantimber]

So, I stand corrected. Working on that monster tree and managed to pull some bark off where it broke hitting the ground. I did find the bug trails beneath the bark. This tree just seems so different to the usual ash I have been dealing with. Definitely root rot. Also had a massive ball at the base about 7 feet in diameter. The trunk is about 32 inches

 

[Mad Professor]

So, I stand corrected. Working on that monster tree and managed to pull some bark off where it broke hitting the ground. I did find the bug trails beneath the bark. This tree just seems so different to the usual ash I have been dealing with. Definitely root rot. Also had a massive ball at the base about 7 feet in diameter. The trunk is about 32 inches

When EAB gets into ash top dies off first, roots too. Then tree is filled with widowmakers and tree topples when root structure is decayed. At that point trunk might still be sound for a few saw logs and firewood.

 

[Captain Bruce]

Not to argue and I appreciate the responses, but I truly don’t think it’s ash. I have taken down at least 30 ash and this is different from my observations. The top did not break off. The bark is remaining on the tree as compared to the other ash I have taken down. There is no trails beneath the bark as the ash borer usually leaves. The wood is much heavier and seems harder to cut. The tree did not have a lot of smaller branches in the canopy like ash have, mostly large branches, and the old wounds healed over different than the other ash I’m used to. Maybe a different type of ash??

Woodstock, Ontario? I'm down in Amherstburg area; thats not a White Ash by way of the early limb removal, and its healing. Hardwood will heal itself. Remove a limb from a willow or sugar maple, and its that way for years. We are in the Carolinian Forest Belt. Could it be a Beech?

 

[keegantimber]

Yes. Just a little east of Woodstock Ontario. White Ash has been devastated in my area and many causes of power outages. Looking on line, I thought the bark resembled that of Beech as well! Maybe I will grab a known chunk of white ash bark and lay it on this tree and take a pic.

 

[keegantimber]

Ok. Pulled a chunk of bark off a dead known white Ash, and placed it over this unknown tree. Dead ash is on top.




I found the heal over circle interesting. Here is a close up of the barks

 

[keegantimber]

 

[MudgeHollowBeaver]

Yes. Just a little east of Woodstock Ontario. White Ash has been devastated in my area and many causes of power outages. Looking on line, I thought the bark resembled that of Beech as well! Maybe I will grab a known chunk of white ash bark and lay it on this tree and take a pic.

Are you on Hwy 2 near Etonia?

 

[buzz sawyer]

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Were the two trees close to the same diameter? Bigger wood would have more coarse bark. Compare the bark from a smaller branch to the trunk of the same tree.

 

[woodfarmer]

Beech!!? You guys certainly don’t know your trees.

 

[user 158015]

Please post pic of cross-section of wood, fine to identify from bark when the tree is standing. But since it's down lets see the wood, cell structure etc

 

[keegantimber]

Beech!!? You guys certainly don’t know your trees.

Well. What is it smart ass know it all. That’s why I asked.

 

[keegantimber]

Please post pic of cross-section of wood, fine to identify from bark when the tree is standing. But since it's down lets see the wood, cell structure etc

Ok. Will try to grab a pic of a cut End.

 

[buzz sawyer]

Ok. Will try to grab a pic of a cut End.

Include a section of split wood so we can see the grain.

 

[stihlatit]

Yes. Just a little east of Woodstock Ontario. White Ash has been devastated in my area and many causes of power outages. Looking on line, I thought the bark resembled that of Beech as well! Maybe I will grab a known chunk of white ash bark and lay it on this tree and take a pic.

Definitely not a Beech....A Beech is very smooth grey bark......looks like a Ash to me......says Acton Ontario.

 

[buzz sawyer]

Ok. Pulled a chunk of bark off a dead known white Ash, and placed it over this unknown tree. Dead ash is on top.


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I found the heal over circle interesting. Here is a close up of the barks

Did some research - White Ash bark is not as coarse as Green Ash bark.