brncreeper
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Now that's what I call action shots!
Oh crap!
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parrisw
Tree Freak
Dam that looks sketchy!!!!! Could you not pull it out with a truck?? I've done it that way before, Stick the truck in 4 low, hooked it to the front end of the truck and back up until the tree falls.
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Hmmm 5 tons of 145 foot tree? and the house is 80 feet away...
Yes... sometimes but not in this case. No access either.
Yes... sometimes but not in this case. No access either.
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Sort of off topic, but when and where did you live in Montana Andy?
Now on topic: When I have a 'hanger', I back bar from under the lean... I've never tried that salami slice technique.
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Missed him... just.... Note the discarded husky...
Roder takes a short break to contemplate... Crap happens to the best now and then...
Lake I'll have you know I just came back from kissing my 20t winch
I remembered why I likes it so much!
RPM
ArboristSite Operative
+1....I put a relief cut on the top and take 90% from underneath. Tree opens up and falls in front of you rather than the tree sliding over the top and on to you....and your saw falls free.
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
That pretty much what I did.. I think... and although it doesn't show it, Rb's is similar. The "bad" situation was not how the other cuts happened.. was more a result of having to fuss with it. I'll let him explain - he has a zillion more trees experience than me. I believe this tree was also being pulled with a GRCS.... to stop it going over the fence and to help it stand up. The original thread has more info, but I can't find it.
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windthrown
361 Junkie
More of those sloped cuts I see all the time in stumps... :monkey:
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Yup, exactly. I find it to be a 'safer', more predictable technique... You just have to have all your senses at 150%, just in case the tree does something you didn't calculate for. Let's say the tree is sitting 30* off vertical... You make your cut 30* off horizontal--the tree kicks off the butt, in the direction of the lean... Now your tree is sitting at, lets say, 10* off vertical (or it broke loose and finished falling). I don't think you can achieve this with an angle near 90* in relation to the tree.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Bozeman... 1981 to 1989. Chased a woman there, caught her..
So your wife's a Montuckian!? Cool!
RPM
ArboristSite Operative
I know...we only see one angle from the pictures and a slice in time from it. Hey...whatever doesn't kill you (and so long as you learn from it) just makes you smarter (and quicker) next time.
RPM
ArboristSite Operative
Yup, exactly. I find it to be a 'safer', more predictable technique... You just have to have all your senses at 150%, just in case the tree does something you didn't calculate for. Let's say the tree is sitting 30* off vertical... You make your cut 30* off horizontal--the tree kicks off the butt, in the direction of the lean... Now your tree is sitting at, lets say, 10* off vertical (or it broke loose and finished falling). I don't think you can achieve this with an angle near 90* in relation to the tree.
Nice diagram...wish I were as computer savy!
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Nice diagram...wish I were as computer savy!
Google Sketchup free... Not too hard to learn and use... Not like using some cad programs.:jawdrop:
Download here: http://sketchup.google.com/
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
In my case they get more angled 'cos I can't reach high enough to made a nice 90 
The 90 technique assumes your lower portion isn't "replanted" and fixed in place by the weight of the tree -that happens a lot (several feet into the ground), and in the RB example, that's why you have that row of Easter Island sentinals... No way would that tree have released at a 90. This tree started as a blow-over leaner with a big root ball.
Here's another view of the cuts that almost got him. Note the nice 90... The tree look vertical, but it has a decent lean away from him.
Rodger will be along later... I just helped him load (I'm the grunt pulling chains) a logging truck; he's now off to another location for more logs.
The 90 technique assumes your lower portion isn't "replanted" and fixed in place by the weight of the tree -that happens a lot (several feet into the ground), and in the RB example, that's why you have that row of Easter Island sentinals... No way would that tree have released at a 90. This tree started as a blow-over leaner with a big root ball.
Here's another view of the cuts that almost got him. Note the nice 90... The tree look vertical, but it has a decent lean away from him.
Rodger will be along later... I just helped him load (I'm the grunt pulling chains) a logging truck; he's now off to another location for more logs.
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
In my case they get more angled 'cos I can't reach high enough to made a nice 90
LOL... What Andy needs for Christmas??
So what's the deal here, a horizontal cut with a wedge in it, then the slash cut above it?
Was the first cut made so he could create some lean with the wedge?
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
If I remember right (so many trees ago), it was expected to let go with the horizontal cut, but it didn't, so then the slash cut and wedge to stabilize it while cutting.
7oaks
DRUGSTORE LOGGER
Bozeman... 1981 to 1989. Chased a woman there, caught her..
So your wife's a Montuckian!? Cool!
Still a bit off topic -
So there's a few of us here. I was born and raised in the flatlands (Sidney) but call Star Meadows near Whitefish home even though I live and work in the Washington, DC area now. Will retire soon back in the Last Best Place!
...Carl
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Each situation is different, and presents it's own set of techniques to get what you want out of it.
Anyway you slice it (pun intended
) leaner's are best avoided if at all possible.
