Took the baffle out of my P51 , runs and sounds much better , that just a big restrictor for saw ,
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Blew it apart last night. Sdc 80. Non governed. Single fibre reed. No cyl bridge, two thin rings, closed piston pin. Black oil cap, black lower frame, black cylinder shroud, black full wrap. PP52CBW tag. Peterborough build.
I’ve got most parts to go back to original, just gotta decide what way to go. Thanks for all the help, sounds like this ones worth saving
I’ve got most parts to go back to original, just gotta decide what way to go. Thanks for all the help, sounds like this ones worth saving
Wow is that clean. Very nice ! Sounds great
Thanks , it’s like a whole breath of fresh air,
I remembered I haven’t started up my 650 in a while. Started right up & runs great, thanks to @pioneerguy600. I’m getting the urge to do a restoration on one of my saws. It would either be this or my 3200.
Does my heart good to see that old 650 again, still remember the last truckload of firewood I cut with it on a cold night with a full moon on a snowy hardwood ridge, coyotes on all sides of me howling.
That saw is more traveled then I am if you sent it to Hawaii haha
That’s a nice memory. What year was that? I’m always impressed with the throttle response on this saw.
I have gotten two saws from Jerry. This one, which I consider my coolest saw, & my favorite saw of all time, my Jonsered 2094.
I do believe it was the winter of 2010, we were in a big hardwood ridge that year called, Eagle Ridge, there was much past mature hardwood species that needed harvesting as they were dead or dying. Winter time is the best time to be in the woods, the ground is hard,no mud or flies and less sweat. That ole 650 was in good mechanical condition it would idle forever and did have very good acceleration. for such a heavy flywheel.
That 2094 still running? The piston and cylinder had no wear, the compression was very high and it could break a chain if dogged into hardwood. I was building 394`s at that time for some fellows that bucked hardwood daily in big woodyards locally and I had used the port layout and timing from the 2094 on the 394`s with a slightly higher exhaust. They ran shorter bars and wanted chain speed for their cutting chores.
Yes. I went through it recently. New carb, rings, & crank seals. Shaun Carr welded & retapped the spark plug hole. Looks as new, he does amazing work.
He certainly does,
Still chugging along.
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Sounds good Jeff, I see the gasoline has removed some paint on the fuel tank.
Yes, it lost some right after I got it & kept going from there. I don’t have any special equipment but I really want to try my hand at painting it. I’ll have some questions for you when I’m ready.
Is there a sealer coat of something that could be added to protect the paint?
Time for a little Lou/Pioneer history. I'm a retired USAF MSgt. For my twentieth birthday my rich uncle sent me a draft notice (Near Toledo Ohio). 24 hours before I was to be be drafted (04 Jun 70), I enlisted in the Air Force. The draft board phoned my mother and inquired why I hadn't reported. My technical school was 28 weeks (Avionics Instrument Specialist). When I graduated I was sent to what is now Rickenbacker AFB (Lockbourne when I was sent there C-130A models) Columbus, Ohio. I was there 2 weeks and they announced the base would be closing. I was eventually sent to Luke AFB, Phoenix Az (F-4Cs. I was there 3 years and sent to Thailand for 1 year (F4Ds, Es, and RF4s). I returned to Luke AFB and we bought our first house. The military paid a small housing allowance when they couldn't house you on base. We added a few dollars to that allowance and made the house payment. I got orders to Holloman AFB NM in 79 (AT38s). We sold the house in Arizona, and had one built in Alamogordo. Our NM home had a fireplace (where I bought my Farm saw) I cut a huge number of fallen trees while there with my Pioneer Farm saw. Once again the housing allowance made a portion of the mortgage payment. I got orders for Germany in 1985 (3 year tour F4Es, F4Gs, and F16Cs and Ds), our household goods were put in storage; Farm saw too). We sold the Alamogordo house in 88 after returning to the USA. From Germany I was sent to Ellsworth AFB (KC135s and B1s) but I could not work the B1s). I finally retired in September of 90. My wife had followed me for 20+ years and I'd promised her she could name our final residence location. She opted for Washington State. We've owned (made house payments) in this place since 91. The Farm saw has served me well since we bought this place too (on 3 wooded acres). The paint on her looks intact. One of the decals is rolling up but I don't see any missing paint. If all Pioneers work and last like mine has It is a VERY good investment. I now have 2 Husqvarna saws, a 359 and a T435 that too have served me well. The Pioneer has become my emergency backup saw. I have not needed her in a long time. I do start her once in a while and a splash of gas in her carburetor throat makes that a simple task too (she has no primer).
Good luck with ALL of your saws.
Lou
Time for a little Lou/Pioneer history. I'm a retired USAF MSgt. For my twentieth birthday my rich uncle sent me a draft notice (Near Toledo Ohio). 24 hours before I was to be be drafted (04 Jun 70), I enlisted in the Air Force. The draft board phoned my mother and inquired why I hadn't reported. My technical school was 28 weeks (Avionics Instrument Specialist). When I graduated I was sent to what is now Rickenbacker AFB (Lockbourne when I was sent there C-130A models) Columbus, Ohio. I was there 2 weeks and they announced the base would be closing. I was eventually sent to Luke AFB, Phoenix Az (F-4Cs. I was there 3 years and sent to Thailand for 1 year (F4Ds, Es, and RF4s). I returned to Luke AFB and we bought our first house. The military paid a small housing allowance when they couldn't house you on base. We added a few dollars to that allowance and made the house payment. I got orders to Holloman AFB NM in 79 (AT38s). We sold the house in Arizona, and had one built in Alamogordo. Our NM home had a fireplace (where I bought my Farm saw) I cut a huge number of fallen trees while there with my Pioneer Farm saw. Once again the housing allowance made a portion of the mortgage payment. I got orders for Germany in 1985 (3 year tour F4Es, F4Gs, and F16Cs and Ds), our household goods were put in storage; Farm saw too). We sold the Alamogordo house in 88 after returning to the USA. From Germany I was sent to Ellsworth AFB (KC135s and B1s) but I could not work the B1s). I finally retired in September of 90. My wife had followed me for 20+ years and I'd promised her she could name our final residence location. She opted for Washington State. We've owned (made house payments) in this place since 91. The Farm saw has served me well since we bought this place too (on 3 wooded acres). The paint on her looks intact. One of the decals is rolling up but I don't see any missing paint. If all Pioneers work and last like mine has It is a VERY good investment. I now have 2 Husqvarna saws, a 359 and a T435 that too have served me well. The Pioneer has become my emergency backup saw. I have not needed her in a long time. I do start her once in a while and a splash of gas in her carburetor throat makes that a simple task too (she has no primer).
Good luck with ALL of your saws.
Lou
Hi Beavers, I think your right about the saw having the Performance Plus kit, I would like to see the full serial # to figure out what year the saw is, I have looked for over 35 years for the kit in Ontario and have never found one so the saw is a great buy, both my P52 Plus saws have WJ carbs and I purchsed my first one new in 1987 and it is gray and a CB saw and the next P52 is a CBW purchsed new from the original selling dealer used around 1990 in Ontario and it is also gray and it is a late 1986 saw , I have a original sales brrochure dated 02/87 and the Pioneer Partner P65 to the P39 Plus are all yellow and Black so some must have been sold that way. The only saw that I have that came with a SDC80 carb is my P62CBW, My P65 has a WJ38A and its original but I `am sure that Plus kit had the SDC80 carb, sure would love to have found a kit. CBW saws were hard to find in Ontario back in those years and usually people cutting the big hardwood trees had them and that`s how I started buying my first Western saws to cut them on our one farms
@Beavers confirmed my PP52CBW has had the plus kit installed at some point. It’s missing the air filter and muffler, but has the correct top end and sdc 80 carb. Upper and lower frames will be getting powdercoated black and new decals on order. Should clean up well.
Hi, That performance kit sure makes a big difference compared to a standard P52 which I also have and I think the standard P52 is a bit under powered compared to my P42 and P45 saws, great find on that saw
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