How is it not settled? The piston when turned for a pop-up vs. a squish band cut is not an interchangeable idea. The argument is not just the piston. It's the method. And it's not who can build a stronger saw, that is settled by two different goobs porting the same model saw in a build-off.
Popup vs Flat Top?
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How is it not settled? The piston when turned for a pop-up vs. a squish band cut is not an interchangeable idea. The argument is not just the piston. It's the method. And it's not who can build a stronger saw, that is settled by two different goobs porting the same model saw in a build-off.
Mastermind
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Give it up Tom.......
wigglesworth
Booned
What's funny is your lathe is about 10 times the lathe as both mine and Randy's....
You should learn to use it....
Moparmyway
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Brad, Wiggs has a point here ............ you could offer both (pop-up and squish band cut) to customers, allowing them to decide
Nitroman
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These people can answer the question: http://www.flovizinc.com/index.html
So quit the bickering. If you REALLY want an answer...
So quit the bickering. If you REALLY want an answer...
Hedgerow
HACK
Cut me a squish band, put it on a 372, and send it to me...
But I don't want a lathe..
One more thing for me to have to walk around in the shop..
Tractorsaw1
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Do you guys overcut the bore or stay off it a little when cutting the squish? Seems like its gonna be kinda tough to get it perfectly centered so the rings can ride up the bore farther.
Why do you care so much? That's the real question.
weedkilla
Ain't no guru of nuthin'
As an incredibly amateur machinist I can conclusively say pop ups are better.
I can do a pop up in 5 minutes in a 3 jaw chuck.
Cutting a squish band means making a plate to mount the cylinder, getting some sort of long nosed gauge down into the bore and then getting the damn thing spinning square in a mongrel bloody 4 jaw chuck. My head aches a little just thinking about it.
I'd just about pay the cost of porting, just to not have to set up for this for one cylinder.
To do this for you either want to be doing a lot of saws to make it worthwhile or be a confident and capable machinist.
I can do a pop up in 5 minutes in a 3 jaw chuck.
Cutting a squish band means making a plate to mount the cylinder, getting some sort of long nosed gauge down into the bore and then getting the damn thing spinning square in a mongrel bloody 4 jaw chuck. My head aches a little just thinking about it.
I'd just about pay the cost of porting, just to not have to set up for this for one cylinder.
To do this for you either want to be doing a lot of saws to make it worthwhile or be a confident and capable machinist.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
I can set up and cut a squish band in 30 - 40 minutes.......it ain't rocket surgery.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
Do we have a deal?
weedkilla
Ain't no guru of nuthin'
That's my point. My lathe can sit for months without being used sometimes.
You've developed skills through practice, built/bought tooling.... Without that time investment it's a frustrating job. And doing it badly eats a cylinder that makes it uneconomical.
I'm not the one here desperately trying to prove that my methods are best and yours are not. You keep bringing the argument to me, so I keep answering. It's not been my contention that popups are better than cutting the squishband, but rather that it's simply not necessary. I simply don't understand why you're so desperate that everyone agree with you, and so desperate to prove me wrong. If you're that confident in your methodology, then fine. I don't have to be your enemy just because I don't agree and do things differently. The real issue here is not about a difference in saw building theory, it's about your need to be right and need to convince everyone else as well.
Nitroman
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That is a beautiful photo of the flow out the ports. You can even see there is some uneveness in the flow from the left to the right sides.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
So, we do not have a deal?
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
Brad you do realize that you are posting in my thread........so how in the heck did I bring "the fight to you"?????
A year ago you said one thing.......then another......then today yet another.
The fact is that it takes longer.......time you are not willing to spend.
A year ago you said one thing.......then another......then today yet another.
The fact is that it takes longer.......time you are not willing to spend.
We don't need a deal. You need to quit trying to control both me and everyone else. Like I told you last week, when you let this dog die, it won't be a problem.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
If it doesn't matter then why have you had me cut the squish in several of your personal saws?
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
I made a post this morning that brought this all back up........
You said a 346 was better with a popup........end of story.......
You said a 346 was better with a popup........end of story.......
