Sachs Dolmar Chainsaws Thread

[nicksterdemus]

Thanks Jerry. Just curious. I noticed on the 90 & 94 IPL:

DOLMAR 116si, 116siH
DOLMAR 120si, 120siH

What replaced the 120 as the top/largest S-D saw w/small or regular bar?

I understand the 123 started w/bigger bar, but was heavier & didn't put out any more than the 120si.

 

[sachsmann]

Dolmar Cylinders/jugs/barrells

Jerry, Belgian & Peter thank you for the response providing the technical information.

Knowing that bolt affixes into the side of the muffler allows me to guesstamate the length at 14-17mm.

It's missing a muffler flange bolt, but I can use the remaining bolt as a pattern.

If I can't find MAHLE on the outside of the jug then I'm going to take the muffler off and measure w/6" pocket rule in order to see if I have a 46 or 49mm piston.

Thanks for that little nugget of info coz I'd rather not pull the muffler & now it might not be required.


The 'Mahle' is on the base/flange of the 'jug' where it bolts to the crank case. I have a both size saws that are apart, I could take a couple of images, but will need help to do so. Will need to get another one as mine makes the files to big to send.

Nothing against the 116si, yet I have a 60cc saw and at this juncture need the 68cc 120si to pull a 2' b/c evah now n then.

I'd like to be able to cut cookies w/o having to walk around to the other side of the trunk.

Thanks for the link as well.

I'll take a peek under the clutch for ID.

The 'Mahle' is on the base/flange of the 'jug' where it bolts to the crank case. I have a both size saws that are apart, I could take a couple of images, but will need help to do so. Will need to get another one as mine makes the files to big to send. x Able to wait a day or two?? Peter

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thanks Jerry. Just curious. I noticed on the 90 & 94 IPL:

DOLMAR 116si, 116siH
DOLMAR 120si, 120siH

What replaced the 120 as the top/largest S-D saw w/small or regular bar?

I understand the 123 started w/bigger bar, but was heavier & didn't put out any more than the 120si.

I still don`t know about the H designation but I am sure one of the dealers on here will fill us in.
The next model that came along that was the size of the 120Si would to the best of my knowledge be the 6800i ,it has the same bore and physical size, I have not owned or run one but have been told they are even more powerful than the previous 120Si.
Pioneerguy600

 

[cuttinscott]

I still don`t know about the H designation but I am sure one of the dealers on here will fill us in.
The next model that came along that was the size of the 120Si would to the best of my knowledge be the 6800i ,it has the same bore and physical size, I have not owned or run one but have been told they are even more powerful than the previous 120Si.
Pioneerguy600

SI = injected start carb.

H = Heated Handles

Scott

 

[cuttinscott]

Thanks Jerry. Just curious. I noticed on the 90 & 94 IPL:

DOLMAR 116si, 116siH
DOLMAR 120si, 120siH

What replaced the 120 as the top/largest S-D saw w/small or regular bar?

I understand the 123 started w/bigger bar, but was heavier & didn't put out any more than the 120si.

117,119,120 3.7 cu. in. 117 point ignition, 119 elec. ign, 120 was a 119 with better carb.

120super was a 4.1 cubic inch based off the 120 chassis

116si 3.7 cubic inch with beefed up chassis, Injection start carb, and heavier duty chain brake band also improved ignition assy.
120si 4.15 cubic inch shared chassis with 116si

PS6000 replaced 116si with eco friendly oil pump improved chain brake and better fitting air filter cover

PS6800 replaced 120si with shared chassis with PS6000

123 was the same era as the 119/120 and was built from the 133 chassis was soon replaced in the line up when the 120 super was introduced

Today the PS6400-PS7900 have replaced these models

The bar mount for the 112-PS6800 was the Windsor CJL / Oregon Z095,A095,K095

The Bar Mount for the 123-166 was the Windsor / DM Oregon D033

Todays PS6400-PS9010 use the Windsor EM / Oregon D009

The PS9000 used the D033 mount

Hope this helps with the History report lol

Scott

 

[pioneerguy600]

Many thanks Scott, from me and the other SD users for posting that info, the hope was starting this thread that anyone with info like this would post it for others that would like to know.
Pioneerguy600

 

[Work Saw Collector]

I used My 115 yesterday for the first time man I like that saw, its rough looking but a nice running saw. The down side is now I'm hunting a bigger Dolmar ha ha. I do see a lot less Dolmar saws on Ebay than Stihl, no dealer close so not many old or new Dolmar's down this way.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/supercabs78/4876505692/" title="Dolmar by supercabs78, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/4876505692_8eddb5edae.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dolmar" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/supercabs78/4876507620/" title="Dolmar by supercabs78, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4876507620_01cfd88d2a.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dolmar" /></a>

 

[mowoodchopper]

I used My 115 yesterday for the first time man I like that saw, its rough looking but a nice running saw. The down side is now I'm hunting a bigger Dolmar ha ha. I do see a lot less Dolmar saws on Ebay than Stihl, no dealer close so not many old or new Dolmar's down this way.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/supercabs78/4876505692/" title="Dolmar by supercabs78, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/4876505692_8eddb5edae.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dolmar" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/supercabs78/4876507620/" title="Dolmar by supercabs78, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4876507620_01cfd88d2a.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dolmar" /></a>

115i Has lots of grunt!

 

[Yoopermike]

I have a 116si that it lots of "fun" to play with especially in 14-18'' hard maple

 

[MarkSD]

Here is a 133 I just finished piecing together

Collected a hulk, bunch of parts including new rings and a fairly fresh SEM ignition & flywheel. It's had almost 3 tanks of fuel through it since the rebuild making noodles/quartering rounds and can already feel the change in compression. It's not pretty but I believe it will make a nice bucking saw for firewood season.

This 123 cleaned up really well.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Nice saws Mark SD, the 123 is quite cherry, I hope to get my 133 up and running as soon as all the parts come in.
Pioneerguy600

 

[MarkSD]

That full wrap 133 you have is a really nice saw. That handle would have been really useful when we were clearing a bunch of big blow downs over the past year and a half.

The 123 actually does quite well for bucking medium sized trees but the extra 15cc in the 133 will speed things up a bit.

Anyone else notice the 3 and 4 bolt pull start housings? My father's 120 # 133 had 4 bolt mounting while the stuff I have picked up has only 3.

 

[nicksterdemus]

Sure sachsman I can wait as I'd like to see the pics. I couldn't find the Mahle mark on the B/c side and can' see the other three sides.

I picked up the two he had, after I hit a deer south of Hope, AR. On the + side I missed the first one.

One has 7 fins w/small holes, wide exhaust port, a metal tag that sez 120 and the twist enrichment choke. Its recoil cover has 120si and the high tension wire comes from a coil that's mounted above the flywheel. Comes w/American 3 point dog & decent 20" sproket nose bar w/used chain.

The other saw has 9 fins w/large holes, & pull choke. It has no metal plate, but at the front, on the body where the clutch cover mates is stamped 1207lightly as it has worn & I can't tell if ther was more.. Its recoil cover is 120 super and the high tension wire comes from behind the flywheel. Comes w/5-point? European dog that doesn't protrude nearly as far as the 3-point and came w/worn out hard nose bar.

Mufflers are the same, cylinders are shiny & the pistons look good.

Fuel lines need to be replaced & both were filthy.

Both had primer bulb top/covers w/no bulbs.
Both saws chain adjustment is from the front.

Neither starter recoil covers will swap though they both work.

Both have Ireland tillson carbs that are different models.

Super had a broken grab bar that was held together by a couple of screws and a Swedish hose clamp.

There was some mx and match of americam bolt and nut, yet the one marked 120 appeared to be complete save for an on-off switch.

What is the screw in gizmo, from the back on the left that leaks gas?

They both have it and they seem to need something in the middle I guess.

Thanks Scott as that was quite a bit of info you provided.

If nothing else I should be able to piece one together out of the two.

I didn't measure, but both the clutches looked the samw.

Gotta stretch for a bit. Feel fre to ask away...

 

[pioneerguy600]

Sure sachsman I can wait as I'd like to see the pics. I couldn't find the Mahle mark on the B/c side and can' see the other three sides.

I picked up the two he had, after I hit a deer south of Hope, AR. On the + side I missed the first one.

One has 7 fins w/small holes, wide exhaust port, a metal tag that sez 120 and the twist enrichment choke. Its recoil cover has 120si and the high tension wire comes from a coil that's mounted above the flywheel. Comes w/American 3 point dog & decent 20" sproket nose bar w/used chain.

The other saw has 9 fins w/large holes, & pull choke. It has no metal plate, but at the front, on the body where the clutch cover mates is stamped 1207lightly as it has worn & I can't tell if ther was more.. Its recoil cover is 120 super and the high tension wire comes from behind the flywheel. Comes w/5-point? European dog that doesn't protrude nearly as far as the 3-point and came w/worn out hard nose bar.

Mufflers are the same, cylinders are shiny & the pistons look good.

Fuel lines need to be replaced & both were filthy.

Both had primer bulb top/covers w/no bulbs.
Both saws chain adjustment is from the front.

Neither starter recoil covers will swap though they both work.

Both have Ireland tillson carbs that are different models.

Super had a broken grab bar that was held together by a couple of screws and a Swedish hose clamp.

There was some mx and match of americam bolt and nut, yet the one marked 120 appeared to be complete save for an on-off switch.

What is the screw in gizmo, from the back on the left that leaks gas?

They both have it and they seem to need something in the middle I guess.

Thanks Scott as that was quite a bit of info you provided.

If nothing else I should be able to piece one together out of the two.

I didn't measure, but both the clutches looked the samw.

Gotta stretch for a bit. Feel fre to ask away...

Glad you got two saws, a couple of picts of the saws would tell us a lot, we can tell you a lot more from some picts. The things on the left rear are likely the push bulb primers, you say they leak gas so the bulb cover may be gone.
Pioneerguy600

 

[nicksterdemus]

Thanks Jerry, one had a white piece of a plastic "stick" inside the center.

The top covers have a hole on the left rear side and that looked like a spot where a primer bulb would go on a newer saw.

I'm not familiar w/these saws and didn't click about a primer bulb being located on the back beneath the one/off toggle.

In the linked pic below I thought the primer bulb was an on/off toggle.

From that upward angle I wasn't able to distinguish twixt the two.

He had the super listed on fleabay w/4 pics, but I didn't save them.

That auction wasn't going to end until Friday or Saturday, but he pulled it before I left.

I mailed him to see if he'd send me those.

I saved the 120si pics.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thanks Jerry, one had a white piece of a plastic "stick" inside the center.

The top covers have a hole on the left rear side and that looked like a spot where a primer bulb would go on a newer saw.

I'm not familiar w/these saws and didn't click about a primer bulb being located on the back beneath the one/off toggle.

In the linked pic below I thought the primer bulb was an on/off toggle.

From that upward angle I wasn't able to distinguish twixt the two.

He had the super listed on fleabay w/4 pics, but I didn't save them.

That auction wasn't going to end until Friday or Saturday, but he pulled it before I left.

I mailed him to see if he'd send me those.

I saved the 120si pics.

Well from your previous post and along with this post it seems that you got yourself a 120 Super and a 120 Si , both very good saws and worthy of getting them up and running, they make excellent firewood saws.

Pioneerguy600

 

[nicksterdemus]

I'm making a list of the various parts I need to get them up and running.

Here's the pics of the super That I snagged.

How available are parts such as chain adjustment assembly, ainti-vibration rubbers/plastic, recoil starter handle, flywheel starter prawl/arm & C-clip, primer bulb assembly & gas & oil caps?

I figure carb kits along w/oil & gas lines will be easy enough along w/bolt or two.
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120si--030/064325

Oregon-530044739--20 3/8-70 CF

Head of jug has Large C w/0-3 on the left running top to bottom & 0-10 on the right

Piston has a C w/arrow pointing to the exhaust port

Tillotson-Tralee-Ireland--S2360046

Blk plastic insert between body & air cover is stamped 88 w/arrow pointing to 9.

Has an orange plastic insert/spacer that's sandwiched between the recoil starter assembly & body.

Seven fin jug w/sparkplug recessed & top two fins extending past the rear of the plug so you can't remove w/cresent wrench.

Also has a tapped thread between the top to fins, on the front in the middle, above the exhaust port.

When I pulled this muffler there was a flat plate between it and the exhaust port.
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120 super--No ID tag, no evidence of one. Has 1207 lightly stamped on the clutch side of the body towards & above the dog
that's covered by the clutch cover.

Oregon-30971 FO--180ATSA 195

Tillotson-Tralee-Ireland--S222A538

Jug head has a Large B w/1 0,top to bottom, on the left & 5 13 on the right, top to bottom reading.

Has neither plastic inserts as the si. nor the flat plate between the muffler & exhaust port.

Nine fin jug w/two top fins stopping at the sparkplug so you can access the plug w/cresent wrench.

Piston has a B towards exhaust port.

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[pioneerguy600]

I'm making a list of the various parts I need to get them up and running.

Here's the pics of the super That I snagged.

How available are parts such as chain adjustment assembly, ainti-vibration rubbers/plastic, recoil starter handle, flywheel starter prawl/arm & C-clip, primer bulb assembly & gas & oil caps?

I figure carb kits along w/oil & gas lines will be easy enough along w/bolt or two.
------------------------------
120si--030/064325

Oregon-530044739--20 3/8-70 CF

Head of jug has Large C w/0-3 on the left running top to bottom & 0-10 on the right

Piston has a C w/arrow pointing to the exhaust port

Tillotson-Tralee-Ireland--S2360046

Blk plastic insert between body & air cover is stamped 88 w/arrow pointing to 9.

Has an orange plastic insert/spacer that's sandwiched between the recoil starter assembly & body.

Seven fin jug w/sparkplug recessed & top two fins extending past the rear of the plug so you can't remove w/cresent wrench.

Also has a tapped thread between the top to fins, on the front in the middle, above the exhaust port.

When I pulled this muffler there was a flat plate between it and the exhaust port.
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120 super--No ID tag, no evidence of one. Has 1207 lightly stamped on the clutch side of the body towards & above the dog
that's covered by the clutch cover.

Oregon-30971 FO--180ATSA 195

Tillotson-Tralee-Ireland--S222A538

Jug head has a Large B w/1 0,top to bottom, on the left & 5 13 on the right, top to bottom reading.

Has neither plastic inserts as the si. nor the flat plate between the muffler & exhaust port.

Nine fin jug w/two top fins stopping at the sparkplug so you can access the plug w/cresent wrench.

Piston has a B towards exhaust port.

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All the parts that I have needed for my 116 and 120 saws were still available through Dolmar dealers or the local Makita service center. Check with site sponsors that are dolmar dealers, some of them are posting on this thread.
Pioneerguy600

 

[nicksterdemus]

I got a guy that has offered sound advice that I wish to patronize here.

It's just gonna take me a while to work up the list coz I wanna try to order everything in one felled swoop.

Naturally I won't, but I'll try.

Depending on price I might have to take out a loan.

Thanks again Jerry.

I guess I should see if I'm getting any spark.

You'll love this coz the si was sporting a CJ-8 Champion.

If memory serves me correctly that's your basic Waly-World, universal lawnmower plug.

The super had a Bosch WS 7-F, but calls for WSR 5-F as well(One service manual lists WSR 6-F).
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One thing I noticed as I looked through the 120si & 120super IPL.

It shows the si w/2 piston rings & the super w/one, but the super has two as well.

Anything to that? The si IPL even says rings & the super IPL says ring.

Is this another twist to the plot or no big deal?

Also, someone must have exchanged the thottle/handle/oil tank.

I sure don't find any primer bowls listed in the si IPL, yet I have what's left of one minus the bulb itself.

Any tips for taking what's left of the brimer bowl off and plugging the hole?
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"120super was a 4.1 cubic inch based off the 120 chassis...

120si 4.15 cubic inch shared chassis with 116si"

Where did the .05 CI come from; bore or stroke?

Do they share common dimensions in either?

 

[pioneerguy600]

I got a guy that has offered sound advice that I wish to patronize here.

It's just gonna take me a while to work up the list coz I wanna try to order everything in one felled swoop.

Naturally I won't, but I'll try.

Depending on price I might have to take out a loan.

Thanks again Jerry.

I guess I should see if I'm getting any spark.

You'll love this coz the si was sporting a CJ-8 Champion.

If memory serves me correctly that's your basic Waly-World, universal lawnmower plug.

The super had a Bosch WS 7-F, but calls for WSR 5-F as well.
----------------------------
One thing I noticed as I looked through the 120si & 120super IPL.

It shows the si w/2 piston rings & the super w/one, but the super has two as well.

Anything to that? The si IPL even says rings & the super IPL says ring.

Is this another twist to the plot or no big deal?

Also, someone must have exchanged the thottle/handle/oil tank.

I sure don't find any primer bowls listed in the si IPL, yet I have what's left of one minus the bulb itself.

Any tips for taking what's left of the brimer bowl off and plugging the hole?
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"120super was a 4.1 cubic inch based off the 120 chassis...

120si 4.15 cubic inch shared chassis with 116si"

Where did the .05 CI come from; bore or stroke?

Do they share common dimensions in either?

I have never seen a Si with a primer bulb setup so it may have a Super fuel tank/rear handle assembly. As far as the difference in the cc departmenr you can`t always believe what is in print as most of that stuff is for sales lit. If you are not going to utilize the primer system then remove the primer body and plug off the ends of the lines.
Pioneerguy600