Salvage On The Colville Reservation
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dooby
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its unfortunate that the tribe lost so much revenue. Its to bad that the" let it burn" policies and all the activism has led to such a problem. the fires we have seen in the recent yrs. may be nothing like we have ever seen. With more and more of the forests fuel supplies ending up on the ground the fires will get much worse imo.
To counterpoint that, if I may... In the short term, "let it burn" will be calamitous. But with the previous ideology embodied by USFS/BLM and other agencies of putting every fire out, the fuel loads became extreme and led to the fires we see today, which are much worse for ecosystems than ones if we hadn't put all fires out and let the forests cleanse and thin themselves naturally.
And salvage logging that area won't help the ecosystem, and in turn the tribe, get back to 100% any faster. What a shame.
Call me old fashioned, but when land is managed for timber production, salvage logging is a good thing. It provides income that can be used for reforestation and also gets rid of a future fuel load problem. Those snags will be toppling over in a jack straw fashion. That's hard to walk through for people and animals and also will most likely catch on fire someday. Taking those away, and leaving a few snags for wildlife and toppling over habitat, helps avoid another hot burning fire and wildlife can move through it easier.
As is stated several times in the article, the tribe wants the revenue. I also don't think they had a let it burn policy. Last summer, nobody had one. Things got too dry and explosive. There were fires that were being monitored because they were on ground that was deemed too steep or unsafe to work on. Those fires were worked on when they burned to a safer area for crews.
As is stated several times in the article, the tribe wants the revenue. I also don't think they had a let it burn policy. Last summer, nobody had one. Things got too dry and explosive. There were fires that were being monitored because they were on ground that was deemed too steep or unsafe to work on. Those fires were worked on when they burned to a safer area for crews.
I'm not a forester, and thus I defer to you on this one. The closest I can claim this was a couple of ecosystem classes while I was in engineering school to fulfill a few required credit hours on environmental stuff. And if the land is being managed for timber production I agree with you.
However, I can claim to do environmental restoration work-in particular post logging and oil production sites. I can't help but think if we're looking at it being a true "reserve" in that sense of the word that the article seemed to be talking about and that the tribes didn't only use their forests for logging and a multitude of stuff, that the soil disturbances and damage to remaining understory would inhibit the regrowth of what was instead previously there.
However, I can claim to do environmental restoration work-in particular post logging and oil production sites. I can't help but think if we're looking at it being a true "reserve" in that sense of the word that the article seemed to be talking about and that the tribes didn't only use their forests for logging and a multitude of stuff, that the soil disturbances and damage to remaining understory would inhibit the regrowth of what was instead previously there.
dooby
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Salvage logging was some of the best logging i ever got to do. I cut for a Plum Creek salvage logger. got pd. by the mbf, we took out diseased, dying and dead, stump pulled and blow down. We took care of smz's too. found lots of antler sheds and always had access to premium firewood. and the best part was a new area every few weeks. Now the stuff isnt as well utilized. its a shame.
Their land is not "pristine" and has been logged in the past. It is not an oil production site. If they restrict equipment to staying on skid trails, and eventually end up logging on snow, any damage is minimal. Right now they will most likely be working on frozen ground, which is also a good thing to do. Their land is managed to provide timber and income to their people. They have a mill in Omak, which might be hurting for logs after the salvage is done.
Joe46
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Just talked to my bud in Omak. Seems the mill just lost their contract with whatever outfit they were selling to in Oregon. The tribe is 'suppose" to try and keep it open. I'll be surprised if that happens.
That mill has had 30 years of on and off operation. It's been hard to keep it going by everybody. At one point, the employees of Crown Z bought it and tried to make a go. Now this has always made me wonder. For a few years, it was employee owned, yet the employees (owners) went on strike. I never could figure out the logic in that. They struggled to make a go with it, but their loan was financed with junk bonds and the mill closed.
The tribe did build a larger than the old one, new casino. Maybe that can bring in some income and jobs.
Burn salvage? Yuck! Makes me glad I'm retired. Mostly.
That faller job Slowp posted a few weeks back, that job will be beard deep in the colville burn,
As far as salvage and burning, politics are getting in the way of good management, the ****ing hippies are suing over "feelings" and fake science, meanwhile everything is burning to the ground...
but i be preaching to the choir on that front.
Haven't messed with burn salvage much a little on my uncles place, but that was over 20 years ago. It doesn't sound fun though.
As far as salvage and burning, politics are getting in the way of good management, the ****ing hippies are suing over "feelings" and fake science, meanwhile everything is burning to the ground...
but i be preaching to the choir on that front.
Haven't messed with burn salvage much a little on my uncles place, but that was over 20 years ago. It doesn't sound fun though.
Hmmm, I thought the ad was for the Yakima area. Which is pretty much cut off from us. Hwy 12 is not open to all trucks, and should they want to plow over the top onto Forest Service roads, well, those are washed out or have slides. I guess they can haul to Carson and Umatilla.
The Colvillians are even more limited in mills. I'm thinking they have Vaagen Bros. in Colville or their own mill. I can't think of any others unless there is still a small mill in Oroville going.
The Colvillians are even more limited in mills. I'm thinking they have Vaagen Bros. in Colville or their own mill. I can't think of any others unless there is still a small mill in Oroville going.
yakama, dude said colville when I talked to him. I could have the details a little off, either way without the pass open they are screwed.
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I have heard that charred trees are harder on chains too. Is that true?
Seems to be. I don't want to start one of those goofy "which chain cuts best?" brawls but I'd usually run a round filed chain like 75JGX instead of a square chain. Most of the fallers I knew did the same thing.
Different guys had different preferences but the JGX seemed to hold up pretty good.
