Stihl should be ashamed of themselves.

[bwalker]

I am glad your wages have doubled in 22 years. Go talk with the UAW workers that built John Deere tractors in 1977. The go talk with their grandkids who are also UAW workers building John Deere in the same factory 45 years later.



When you get done doing that go ask the farmer that bought a new 140hp tractor in 1977

Then ask the farmer that bought a new 140hp one in 2022

You don't think the technology involved in building a tractor in 2022 is many times greater than one built in the 70's. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
And those UAW Deere workers are doing OK wage wise. Their latest contract was very lucrative.

 

[Bill G]

You don't think the technology involved in building a tractor in 2022 is many times greater than one built in the 70's. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
And those UAW Deere workers are doing OK wage wise. Their latest contract was very lucrative.

Does a 140 hp tractor today do more work in a day than it did in 1977?
You say.....those UAW Deere workers are doing OK wage wise. Their latest contract was very lucrative..............
Really was it? Tell me all about it. I really want to hear your thoughts on this.

You said....

........... Wages at my currently employer have over doubled in that time period................

So are you saying the UAW wages at John Deere have also doubled since 2000?

 

[bwalker]

I am glad your wages have doubled in 22 years. Go talk with the UAW workers that built John Deere tractors in 1977. The go talk with their grandkids who are also UAW workers building John Deere in the same factory 45 years later.



When you get done doing that go ask the farmer that bought a new 140hp tractor in 1977

Then ask the farmer that bought a new 140hp one in 2022

Does a 140 hp tractor today do more work in a day than it did in 1977?
You say.....those UAW Deere workers are doing OK wage wise. Their latest contract was very lucrative..............
Really was it? Tell me all about it. I really want to hear your thoughts on this.

You said....

So are you saying the UAW wages at John Deere have also doubled since 2000?

If it does more work or not doesn't matter. The new stuff is iinfinitely more complex. Complexity isn't cheap. Of course some of this is EPA and safety regulations and some is stuff that actually increase productivity like GPS steering etc.
Deere's latest contract boosted their wages by 20% and included a 8500 signing bonus. That's pretty good to me. You think otherwise?

 

[bwalker]

And assuming Deere employees have gotten 3% raises on average since 2000, yes they have doubled their wages or very close to it.
Altgough I don't discount the ineptitude of the UAW...

 

[Bill G]

And assuming Deere employees have gotten 3% raises on average since 2000, yes they have doubled their wages or very close to it.
Altgough I don't discount the ineptitude of the UAW...

What in the hell makes you think they have increased their wages 3% a year since 2000. I truly want to know where you are getting that information.

 

[Bill G]

If it does more work or not doesn't matter. The new stuff is iinfinitely more complex. Complexity isn't cheap. Of course some of this is EPA and safety regulations and some is stuff that actually increase productivity like GPS steering etc.
Deere's latest contract boosted their wages by 20% and included a 8500 signing bonus. That's pretty good to me. You think otherwise?

Where are you getting this from?

 

[bwalker]

Where are you getting this from?

I'm a Deere share holder and follow the company closely.

 

[bwalker]

What in the hell makes you think they have increased their wages 3% a year since 2000. I truly want to know where you are getting that information.

That's the average wage increase accross industry.

 

[Bill G]

I'm a Deere share holder and follow the company closely.

I am glad you are so you should be able to clearly state the wages of a Deere assembly worker, parts warehouse worker welder, and tool man in 2000 versus one today. How about in 1977, 1982, 1988. 1993. 1998

 

[Bill G]

That's the average wage increase accross industry.

How does that apply to Deere?

 

[bwalker]

How does that apply to Deere?

I never stated I knew for certain, but if you do please share.

 

[Bill G]

I never stated I knew for certain, but if you do please share.

Well if you do not know then why did you chose to post these comments

............. those UAW Deere workers are doing OK wage wise. Their latest contract was very lucrative.

......................Deere's latest contract boosted their wages by 20% and included a 8500 signing bonus. That's pretty good to me. You think otherwise?

And assuming Deere employees have gotten 3% raises on average since 2000, yes they have doubled their wages or very close to it.
Altgough I don't discount the ineptitude of the UAW...

After you posted all that with no supporting information I asked a simple question.

Where are you getting this from?

You said.....

I'm a Deere share holder and follow the company closely.

My reply

I am glad you are so you should be able to clearly state the wages of a Deere assembly worker, parts warehouse worker welder, and tool man in 2000 versus one today. How about in 1977, 1982, 1988. 1993. 1998

Now you say..............

I never stated I knew for certain, but if you do please share.

So then why did you post all the above things if you do not know. You either know or you do not.

 

[bwalker]

u either know or you do not.

Well if you do not know then why did you chose to post these comments






After you posted all that with no supporting information I asked a simple question.



You said.....

My reply

Now you say..............

So then why did you post all the above things if you do not know. You either know or you do not.

The details of the contract I posted are public knowledge. You can find them on CNBC.

 

[Bill G]

Well let's see..

And assuming Deere employees have gotten 3% raises on average since 2000, yes they have doubled their wages or very close to it.
Altgough I don't discount the ineptitude of the UAW...

I'm a Deere share holder and follow the company closely.

In 2000 a welder starting on the line at Deere made a whopping $16.50, yep $16.50. Today in 2022 a person starting as a welder at Deere makes $23. That is a fact! Her is another fact for you. The folks in the parts warehouse in 2021 started at $14.50/hr

The wages have not doubled. Not even close. If we use the 3% number you gave they pay should be..............$31.62

2000 $16.50

2001 $16.50 x3%=$17.00

2002 $17.00x3% =$17.50

2003 $17.5x3%=$18.03

2004 $18.57

2005 $19.12

2006 $19.70

2007 $20.29

2008 $20.90

2009 $21.53

2010 $22.17

2011 $22.84

2012 $23.53

2013 $24.23

2014 $24.96

2015 $25.71

2016 $26.48

2017 $27.27

2018 $28.09

2019 $28.93

2020 $29.80

2021 $30.69

2022 $31.62

 

[ElevatorGuy]

Bill you have way too much time on your hands lol.

 

[bwalker]

Well let's see..







In 2000 a welder starting on the line at Deere made a whopping $16.50, yep $16.50. Today in 2022 a person starting as a welder at Deere makes $23. That is a fact! Her is another fact for you. The folks in the parts warehouse in 2021 started at $14.50/hr



The wages have not doubled. Not even close. If we use the 3% number you gave they pay should be..............$31.62



2000 $16.50



2001 $16.50 x3%=$17.00



2002 $17.00x3% =$17.50



2003 $17.5x3%=$18.03



2004 $18.57



2005 $19.12



2006 $19.70



2007 $20.29



2008 $20.90



2009 $21.53



2010 $22.17



2011 $22.84



2012 $23.53



2013 $24.23



2014 $24.96



2015 $25.71



2016 $26.48



2017 $27.27



2018 $28.09



2019 $28.93

2020 $29.80



2021 $30.69



2022 $31.62

Well let's see..



In 2000 a welder starting on the line at Deere made a whopping $16.50, yep $16.50. Today in 2022 a person starting as a welder at Deere makes $23. That is a fact! Her is another fact for you. The folks in the parts warehouse in 2021 started at $14.50/hr

The wages have not doubled. Not even close. If we use the 3% number you gave they pay should be..............$31.62

2000 $16.50

2001 $16.50 x3%=$17.00

2002 $17.00x3% =$17.50

2003 $17.5x3%=$18.03

2004 $18.57

2005 $19.12

2006 $19.70

2007 $20.29

2008 $20.90

2009 $21.53

2010 $22.17

2011 $22.84

2012 $23.53

2013 $24.23

2014 $24.96

2015 $25.71

2016 $26.48

2017 $27.27

2018 $28.09

2019 $28.93

2020 $29.80

2021 $30.69

2022 $31.62

Thats pretty terrible. I would look for work elsewhere.
Even had the wafes double 31 an hour and change is terrible pay for that sort of union work.

 

[OM617YOTA]

That is simply not true.

Depends on how you look at things. Now I know and hope few are working for minimum wage but it is a way to gauge what it took to buy something relative to wages which what you mentioned earlier.

In 1955 the federal minimum wage was $0.75. A new quality firewood saw was $300 thus requiring 400 hours of pay to buy.

In 2000 the federal minimum wage was $5.15. A new 046 was $625 thus requiring 122 hours of pay to buy

In 2022 the federal minimum wage is $7.25. A new 462 is $1280 thus requiring 177 hours of pay to buy

As compared to wages in the 45 year period from 1955 to 2000 the price of saws decreased 328%. From 2000-2022 in less than half the period (22 years) the price of saws increased 145%

As I said earlier we enjoyed cheap saws for years and are now paying for it.

If you prefer to look at inflation then the period from 2000-2021 was 48.6%. We can figure 10% for this years so 58.6%
So the saw that was purchased in 2000 with inflation calculated in should cost $991 today. It instead costs $1280 which equals inflation of 105% I am sorry but from 2000 to today saws have went up at close to twice the rate of inflation.

10% inflation this year is ridiculously low.

 

[olyman]

You don't think the technology involved in building a tractor in 2022 is many times greater than one built in the 70's. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
And those UAW Deere workers are doing OK wage wise. Their latest contract was very lucrative.

it outta be,, deere is raking in millions.............................making the bigshots rich

 

[Bill G]

Bill you have way too much time on your hands lol.

Well currently it seems that way.... I cannot put to much time on my feet yet so I have to do something. Living in the land of Deere, growing up with countless employees and retirees you learn a few things. Working with welders that left Deere you learn a few things. When you have sons that work for Deere in different capacities you learn a few things.

 

[Bill G]

Thats pretty terrible. I would look for work elsewhere.
Even had the wafes double 31 an hour and change is terrible pay for that sort of union work.

Especially when they were forced to work 6 days a week 12 hours a day.

You think that is terrible then how about this. In June 2003 I went into a local factory to pick up about 9 weeks of work as I was teaching at the time and was off for the summer. I was just a laborer and was paid $18.51/hr. I worked on one of our rental houses in 2004. In June of 2005 I walked back into the same factory doing the same job I had in 2003 and was paid $11.13/hr. That is a cut in pay of $7.38/hr