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Jimbo209

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A nice score from the Antique saw/machinery auction yesterday ..... A bench mounted chain vise for sharpening chains off the saw.
No good really for the square filing enthusiast, but hey 2 boxes for $5, there is prob $50 worth of G4 victa carby parts there as well = score!!View attachment 461405
Not a new idea then

There's a few nice things like that that have been knocked up by the USA guys here, homelite410 among others,
 
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Noob question. How important is it for the cutters to be the same length right to left. ?
Vince, if you want a smooth/fast cutting chain, it's very important.
As the newer the chain, the higher & wider the cutter.
Depth gauges are as equally important!
If you have each cutter on both sides as even as possible , along with the same top plate angle on each, & all the rakers even.... Each cutter will endure the same load, by taking the same amount of timber.
Because the cutters ramp down & narrow in at the tail, you can visualise that if 1 side is substantially longer,they will have more cutter going through the timber,hence giving you a chain that will run to 1 side, regardless how new your guide bar would be.
I learnt the basics out of the 40 page Oregon chain manual some 23yrs ago, been trying to better my techniques & end results ever since :)
 
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Vince, if you want a smooth/fast cutting chain, it's very important.
As the newer the chain, the higher & wider the cutter.
Depth gauges are as equally important!
If you have each cutter on both sides as even as possible , along with the same top plate angle on each, & all the rakers even.... Each cutter will endure the same load, by taking the same amount of timber.
Because the cutters ramp down & narrow in at the tail, you can visualise that if 1 side is substantially longer,they will have more cutter going through the timber,hence giving you a chain that will run to 1 side, regardless how new your guide bar would be.
I learnt the basics out of the 40 page Oregon chain manual some 23yrs ago, been trying to better my techniques & end results ever since :)

i never thought of it like that you have changed my view on the matter.
 
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Vince, if you want a smooth/fast cutting chain, it's very important.
As the newer the chain, the higher & wider the cutter.
Depth gauges are as equally important!
If you have each cutter on both sides as even as possible , along with the same top plate angle on each, & all the rakers even.... Each cutter will endure the same load, by taking the same amount of timber.
Because the cutters ramp down & narrow in at the tail, you can visualise that if 1 side is substantially longer,they will have more cutter going through the timber,hence giving you a chain that will run to 1 side, regardless how new your guide bar would be.
I learnt the basics out of the 40 page Oregon chain manual some 23yrs ago, been trying to better my techniques & end results ever since :)
Ok cool. Well I have always tried to make them the same length and rakers the same also.
I just had s chain here that the cutters were 3 mm different and was wondering if I really should make the cutters the same or not. The grinder is milling away now [emoji12]
Thanks Jason [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]
 
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Vince, if you want a smooth/fast cutting chain, it's very important.
As the newer the chain, the higher & wider the cutter.
Depth gauges are as equally important!
If you have each cutter on both sides as even as possible , along with the same top plate angle on each, & all the rakers even.... Each cutter will endure the same load, by taking the same amount of timber.
Because the cutters ramp down & narrow in at the tail, you can visualise that if 1 side is substantially longer,they will have more cutter going through the timber,hence giving you a chain that will run to 1 side, regardless how new your guide bar would be.
I learnt the basics out of the 40 page Oregon chain manual some 23yrs ago, been trying to better my techniques & end results ever since :)
well said mate
 
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Noob question. How important is it for the cutters to be the same length right to left. ?
not that critical if you use a progressive depth gauge like a filo plate, i went to a field day & we were told that a chain with a full length cutters on one side & near worn out cutters on the other side when sharpened with a filo plate will still cut straight, because each tooth is biting in the same amount.
thangst
 
Jimbo209

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Vince, if you want a smooth/fast cutting chain, it's very important.
As the newer the chain, the higher & wider the cutter.
Depth gauges are as equally important!
If you have each cutter on both sides as even as possible , along with the same top plate angle on each, & all the rakers even.... Each cutter will endure the same load, by taking the same amount of timber.
Because the cutters ramp down & narrow in at the tail, you can visualise that if 1 side is substantially longer,they will have more cutter going through the timber,hence giving you a chain that will run to 1 side, regardless how new your guide bar would be.
I learnt the basics out of the 40 page Oregon chain manual some 23yrs ago, been trying to better my techniques & end results ever since :)


What is the consensus around,

about raker angle, is leave flat, rounded like stock or a down angle
 
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What is the consensus around,

about raker angle, is leave flat, rounded like stock or a down angle
File the raker flat to your preferred depth, but definitely round off the leading edge, failure to do this will cause chatter, as the square edge will want to dig into the timber. :)
 
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Carlton do a chain and bar manual downloadable pdf too which is pretty informative. It's interesting though I have an old version of it explaining the progressive depth gauge height concept with a fop but also a later version saying to use a conventional depth gauge height tool, noobs and kick back caused litigation maybe?
 

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