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You cant blame a guy for trying. I think that if I had never gotten into treework but had a particulary annoying tree I too would attempt to cut its a$$, who are we to have all the fun, there are other people, not tree guys with a degree of sensability as well. That said, I once had a lawyer that fell out of a tree and broke his back, so...... maybe lawyers dont make good tree workers.
 
Was he a divorce lawyer? if so he might of deserved it!!! LOL

LXT...........
 
if you won't hire a tree service..................

get a book on tree work or climbing at one of the sponsors or the library or local book store or make friends with a tree worker.be safe.if you're not sure,stop and find someone who is! it ain't worth getting hurt to save a few bucks.
 
Cheap and incoherent. That is what you are. You don't learn rigging from asking professionals on a message board. You want to learn rigging? Be a ground guy for a tree company for years like the rest of us did.
 
If it's that simple, Why does he have to go on an Arborist forum and ask to have it explained to him ?
 
Kneejerk Bombas said:
Do you guys really think tree work is that hard? The guy knows how to use a saw. How hard can it be to go up in a bucket and whack off a few limbs?

Jeez, you'd think the guy was asking how to do brain surgery on himself.
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yes, its that easy to get hurt. knowing were to tie a limb off,(the but, the tip, the middle) which knot to use, making sure that knot holds or does not slip. letting the line run, hold, or just drop below the bucket, whether to hinge on the bottom on the limb, the side, the top, or no hinge at all and let it peel. what to do when the saw pinches. what to do when your ground man does not do what he should have. what to do when his inexperience cause the limb to come back at him, or smack the boom. its easy right?:laugh:

rigging a tree from aloft has very little resemblence, except for chainsaws ,that notching a tree from the gound and bucking it up does. The only way to properly learn this is to be taught by someone who has been running ropes for an experienced climber/bucket man , then gradually allow the greener rope man to try out and lower easy, non-techincal stuff. until you become the veteran rope man on the ground you will not learn what should SAFELY go on in the tree, when it comes to rigging.

there was a ground guy who just died a few weeks ago here in NJ, who thought he could rig a simple 40ft tree. It's easy right?

Rigging is my speciality. This is the part of tree work that excites me the most. Putting a piece of wood/limb, in any given spot, knowing exactly what it is going to, and getting it to air sweep the dust off the roof that it once hung over. rigging, one false move and you or the valuables below become destroyed. 5 secs will feel like 20mins as your mistake unfolds, with no turning back once its cut.
 
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Sounds like you need to take smaller pieces, then you won't be scraping the roof and killing your groundmen.
There was a time when a man was self sufficient. He could clear the field, plow it, plant the crop, build his home, and make gentle love to his wife. Now a days the sissy boys have to call in a specialist to do all five jobs.
Let me ask you this, when your gutters need cleaning, do you call in a specialist? A lot of guys get hurt or kilt cleaning gutters each year.
 
Kneejerk Bombas said:
Sounds like you need to take smaller pieces, then you won't be scraping the roof and killing your groundmen.
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I didnt say scraping. If you know that big sails create winds and therefore...blow...read post again.

with 100% confidence knowing that by looking at the limb before it gets cuts rigged correctly will sail just a few feet from the roof. that is rigging.

smaller cuts are for those not confident, baby steps. goes as big as you can safely is my motto.

as for my groundmen, trusting they can handle the rig safely is two fold. we are a team.
 
Kneejerk Bombas said:
Let me ask you this, when your gutters need cleaning, do you call in a specialist? A lot of guys get hurt or kilt cleaning gutters each year.
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sounds like a good enough reason to call a pro to me bub.

how come you never post in the tree forum anymore? too good at what you do to talk to the rest of us? rumor has it you are alright in the biz. any truth to this?



hey john464 that post was a good one. not that you care but i couldnt rep ya for it.

oh yeah. to the original poster. honestly do yourself a favor and have someone come in and take a look for ya. at the very least post some pics of your tree. i like pics, we all do.
 
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I used to post more in the Commercial Tree forum, until we started having really nice tree health discussions here in the Homeowner forum, Tree health is really more interesting to me. I've been climbing and rigging for 20 years, not too much new there, although it is interesting too.
 
John464 said:
I didnt say scraping. If you know that big sails create winds and therefore...blow...read post again.

with 100% confidence knowing that by looking at the limb before it gets cuts rigged correctly will sail just a few feet from the roof. that is rigging.

smaller cuts are for those not confident, baby steps. goes as big as you can safely is my motto.

as for my groundmen, trusting they can handle the rig safely is two fold. we are a team.
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why go small? what a waste of time! i didn't spend years learning technical rigging just so that i could spend an hour taking out a limb that can be rigged form the ground and done in one cut. IMO, multiple cut rigging is done either out of necessity or inexperience- not as SOP. a lot of times the groundies have a little more on their plate with a big cut, but nobody ever said tree work was easy. i made a decision to stay away from the squabbling around here, but i've got to put my foot down.


this is for qualified arborists only! my previous advice still pertains to this thread!

love,
kevin
 
Kneejerk Bombas said:
I used to post more in the Commercial Tree forum, until we started having really nice tree health discussions here in the Homeowner forum, Tree health is really more interesting to me. I've been climbing and rigging for 20 years, not too much new there, although it is interesting too.
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maybe someone like me needs to hear more of what you know......if you catch my drift. IE if you got 20 yrs rign/rope'n/climbing under your belt than you might have some of what i want.

your not still mad at me about that red maple awhile back now are ya? lol
 
I don't get mad at anyone on the computer. A lot gets lost in the translation.

As for size, if I got 5 guys standing around with nothing to do, I'll whack a big one to keep them busy. If my only ground person is a five foot nothing female with long nails, I'll take pieces she can handle. Why take a huge piece and then sit there and watch her struggle?
Not much sense taking hunks too big to drag and feed into the chipper, unless your kind of slow and they're waiting for you all the time.
There is also a safety factor, big pieces can be dangerous, and wear out equipment and the ground crew. Little pieces, little mistakes. Big pieces, big mistakes. LOL!
 
sawscavenger said:
I have to fall 3 trees next month and I live in town. I plan on renting a stick lift to limb them in the tree. I need some advice on the proper methods of securing the branches to the trunk when cutting so they wont fall to the ground. Any advice would be greatly appreciated by me as well as my neighbors.:chainsaw:
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I agree if you have to ask questions like this, you should keep your feet on the ground.:greenchainsaw:
 
Kneejerk Bombas said:
I don't get mad at anyone on the computer. A lot gets lost in the translation.

As for size, if I got 5 guys standing around with nothing to do, I'll whack a big one to keep them busy. If my only ground person is a five foot nothing female with long nails, I'll take pieces she can handle. Why take a huge piece and then sit there and watch her struggle?
Not much sense taking hunks too big to drag and feed into the chipper, unless your kind of slow and they're waiting for you all the time.
There is also a safety factor, big pieces can be dangerous, and wear out equipment and the ground crew. Little pieces, little mistakes. Big pieces, big mistakes. LOL!
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i can see both sides... plus i don't have any female groundies!
 

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