tree rigging

[Nailsbeats]

To the members of Arboristsite, I'd like to apologize for the State of Wisconsin for sawscavengers attitude. I'm thinking he might be a transplant from Illinois,( they'll see the humor in that). That said, sawscavenger, get ready, I'm letting the dogs out. Pete

Scavengers we'll be, forever! No apologys. Oh I see, you mean Sawscavenger as in "proper name". Sorry, I got excited.

Oh no, the brother in law from Illinois bit. lol

 

[Nailsbeats]

I didnt say scraping. If you know that big sails create winds and therefore...blow...read post again.

with 100% confidence knowing that by looking at the limb before it gets cuts rigged correctly will sail just a few feet from the roof. that is rigging.

smaller cuts are for those not confident, baby steps. goes as big as you can safely is my motto.

as for my groundmen, trusting they can handle the rig safely is two fold. we are a team.

That is my favorite part too. I like to have 1/3 of the farthest leaf on the branch graze over the roof, maybe just tickle that gutter to get that ping sound. lol

Seriously though, rigging is exciting. Here are the famous last words, "Should I take a wrap? No, you can handle it" Sometimes you can get those new guys airborn if they think they have to hold on for their life. Heres the groundman after the cut:jawdrop:

 

[beowulf343]

If i may ask, what's a stick lift?

If my only ground person is a five foot nothing female with long nails, I'll take pieces she can handle. Why take a huge piece and then sit there and watch her struggle?

Why take a female with long nails to a jobsite where she may break a nail? Take the groundies you need to do the job without a lot of wasted time. I've always liked to take big so my crew has more groundies than the other crews with the outfit. And i'll keep them busy-i've always felt it's alot easier to make one cut in the tree and five cuts on the ground rather than six cuts in the tree and none on the ground.

 

[John464]

Why take a female with long nails to a jobsite where she may break a nail? Take the groundies you need to do the job without a lot of wasted time. I've always liked to take big so my crew has more groundies than the other crews with the outfit. And i'll keep them busy-i've always felt it's alot easier to make one cut in the tree and five cuts on the ground rather than six cuts in the tree and none on the ground.

Well said beowulf343.
I was going to post something similar. I usually have 5 guys below me on large removals. Sometimes they are all on one lead being lowered. Hooking it, pulling it, etc. I like about 1min max before my rope gets pulled back up for the next rig. One guy there just for strictly untieing. Other guy saw in hand ready. One with a pole hook spinning it but end towards the chipper. The other guy ready to get it out of the way. Then sometimes all 5 of them carrying it away. It may take one person 10 minutes(girl with long nails 20mins) what the 5 guys just did in under a minute. Long as you have the workload being as productive and efficient as possible is what makes sense.

Girls with pretty nails running your ropes. Can she even wear gloves, let alone run your ropes by herself? Oldirty you sure you heard right about this Kneejerk guy? What I run crews with may be what some consider overstaffed, but I feel it's better to be overstaffed than understaffed. Always something to do for an extra pair of hands. Then again, we produce a lot more in a day than most tree crews do in 2.

 

[masterarbor]

ya'all better listen to treetrasher, he's got over 4 billion posts!
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[treemandan]

One of the most common questions asked on Arborist Site goes something like this : What equipment do I need to buy and what techniques do I use to climb and cut a tree on my property ? I had a tree service come out and look at the trees but they wanted $2000.00 ( or $500.00 or any other figure you can think of ) , so I've decided to cut them myself.

There have been hundreds , if not thousands of this type of question asked on this site. Some of the home owners listen to the advice they receive, some don't.

While perusing some old posts on the site I ran across this post about Barber Chairs. Read it and pay particular attention to the desciption of what and when it goes bad while cutting in the tree.


Tree Machine is the original poster.


Quote " Imagine if this were up in the air, you're fliplined into a leaning top and you're thinking, "Ahh, no-brainer. Cut here, it falls there." But you're tied into it and as you sink your chainsaw into the back cut, you hear that rifle crack and in a fraction of a second the top barbers, catching you in the gut. It hinges up, digging in deep under your sternum, through to your spine. In the next fraction of that same second you notice that in the mayhem your chainsaw has severed your right leg, but it concerns you not because your flipline has your lower body (minus a leg) held captive, so your upper torso is ripped from your lower half and catapulted into the neighbor's pool. Amidst this (we're now into 2nd second) your intestines have unfurled and although it is entirely debatable where your intestines will snap, or whether they will at all and leave your head and torso hanging far beneath your lower torso, as stated earlier, you were flung with such force as to effect a swan dive into the crystal blue water. Let's call this a 'half swan'.

So you bloodied up the neighbor's pool. You got guts hanging down through the lower limbs of the tree, you're still (partially) aloft, your stupid azz is still fliplined in and saw still running at idle. Most definitely the worst 5 seconds of your life, but your concerns are already on to other things because YOU'RE DEAD.

If you are inwardly focussed, you new concern might be, "Wow, pearly gates. Cool! I wonder if the beer is actually better in Heaven?" If you're an outwardly focussed person, you might think, "Bummer, someone's gotta clean up that mess AND one of my buddys has gotta finish the treejob." EndQuote


Of course , you were going to rent a lift. So none of this applies to you, right ?

Wrong ! If you have never run a chainsaw in a tree, you are just as green as any first day rookie. And just as dangerous.

And as far as telling a bunch of Arborists what they can or can't post on their site..... see how far that get's you !

Trepaarboles gave you a contact in your area.

USE IT.
THAT'S THE BEST ADVICE YOU'RE GONNA GET !

I think the injury and death forum should be combined with this forum most certainly.
I met a guy and his norway maple, the maple had one 18 dia. limb cut off and laying and the ground on top of a ladder. The guy was in a back and arm cast which he had put on by a real good trauma doc after they got him out from under the ladder. I said " GEE WHIZ! What did you think would happen?" He said he didn't think at all and remarked how he wished he had. The neighbors said he wa in critical condition for a few days.
I have also seen 75 year old civilians climb up 80 foot hemlock and make em 60 with nothing more than a bow saw, which, is how I did it when I was 10.

 

[treemandan]

Sounds like you need to take smaller pieces, then you won't be scraping the roof and killing your groundmen.
There was a time when a man was self sufficient. He could clear the field, plow it, plant the crop, build his home, and make gentle love to his wife. Now a days the sissy boys have to call in a specialist to do all five jobs.
Let me ask you this, when your gutters need cleaning, do you call in a specialist? A lot of guys get hurt or kilt cleaning gutters each year.

Yo ! I am a roof tickeler so shut -up! But really there buddy, listen to this; if you want to know what is so hard about going up in a bucket a cutting limbs do it for awhile and tell me. There is not one thing in this field that can tolerate " what is so hard?" .

 

[lxt]

What I like hearing is: "you got that cherry picker thingy" this tree will be a snap for you..."Hell I could do it, what could be so hard".

Last year I told the home owner I was working for after hearing this, well come on up!! you can run my cherry picker thingy. I came down, siuted him up, showed him how to get airborn...nothing around he could hurt himself on!!

he didnt even get the bottom boom all the way up, white knuckled holding onto the basket rail, voice cracking.....so to spike the ball I yelled up, whats so hard your in the cherry picker thingy!!

When he came down from his 20ft 2-3 minute bucket run he shook my hand & said he would of never had the respect for what I do untill he tried it himself, "God bless you guys" he said, I even got an xtra $20 thrown in he said that was for not laughing at him for being scared to death!!

Get a PRO!! its not as easy as us who do it every day make it look!!


LXT..........

 

[oldirty]

Well said beowulf343.


Oldirty you sure you heard right about this Kneejerk guy?


What I run crews with may be what some consider overstaffed, but I feel it's better to be overstaffed than understaffed. Always something to do for an extra pair of hands. Then again, we produce a lot more in a day than most tree crews do in 2.

as per the norm for me i agree with beowulf as well. and i really like your working attitude john. good to hear from the top, thats for sure.


and about kneejerk, if his initials are MM, then yes he has a bit of know how to offer the crowd.


good story LXT, ive seen it happen as well. lol

 

[John464]

Oldirty thanks and right back at ya!
Oh so Kneejerk is Mike Mass. Ok, from his old posts as Mike Mass I do remember he use to make some good points.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Yeah, I changed my name so internet wacko's wouldn't come hunt me down. :greenchainsaw:

 

[oldirty]

Oldirty thanks and right back at ya!
Oh so Kneejerk is Mike Mass. Ok, from his old posts as Mike Mass I do remember he use to make some good points.

that was before he forgot about the tree forum and went buck wild in the off topic and political section. lol

 

[John464]

Yeah, I changed my name so internet wacko's wouldn't come hunt me down. :greenchainsaw:

Smart move. I'm the same way. Any pictures I post on here all have my company name blurred out. Wouldn't flaunt my website on here either. Too much equipment and too much at stake for any other tree guy to just have access to. I once had a guy come to my shop selling a slightly used large piece of equipment. It was from out of state and was brought in as a hot item. I didn't buy it but know the the other local co. that did. That piece of equipment is still in use today 3 years later. You can never be too careful when what we are discussing here is are livelyhood. Wouldn't be the first time I spotted a full time tree man/part time thief.

and Mike, how about some pics of this sexy rope woman? Sounds like a good image for a poster in my shop.